8DIO - My experience

[GearNostalgia]

But I surrender, I have to admit the superiority of two users who don’t even know how to listen to a dropbox .wav (right click open to new window/tab, play. Or right click open to new window/tab - download-direct download), they argue that my examples are worthless (without even hearing them) and don’t have any clue about how a choir sounds like.
Have a good day.

I have just stated that what I heard in your previous examples did not sound as bad to me as the Lacrimosa sustain. I have not said that your explanations of why the artifacts are there are wrong. I just don't like to play samples that are inconsistent and sound like this. I could hear your all your files except this one. I assume it is some forum/browser incompatibilty and I don't use dropbox so I did not know that feature exist. You can go on debating the nature of the noise if you want. I am done with that part - for whatever reason it is there.

You may very well be right all your libraries from all developers have these uneven quality with whistling effects. If that is true I am glad to know it cause I don't have to try any other(but I think I will give EastWests choirs a go, after all it is only 25 bucks for a testdrive).

[kevvvvv]

[donkey tugger]

He was shit in Black Sabbath.

[chk071]

He was shit in Black Sabbath.

True, i always thought Ozzy was the only real singer for them.

[donkey tugger]

He was shit in Black Sabbath.

True, i always thought Ozzy was the only real singer for them.

Too right!

[Jedinhopy]

Sorry for hijacking this thread:
But did Lacrimosa work for Kontakt versions below v5.4?

Even if the 8dio product page said:
(Full Retail Version of Kontakt 5.5 (or later) Required) .


And i have too talked with 8dio support.
I simply asked them if their products are compatible with my old version of Kontakt.
And not only being compatible with the latest version of Kontakt.
And not wasting money by buying all released versions of those 8dio products,
and not only be stuck with the latest versions of them. And not wasting:
money by buying things that does not work my favorite version of Kontakt.

For example anyone is able to open any .nki file in Kontakt and then save/overwrite the opened .nki file as to make it only compatible with latest version of Kontakt or later. No knowledge of (under-the-hood) is required. Only that the user or company has to resave all their nki files and multis with the latest commercially available version of Kontakt from Native Instruments.
And then they make it impossible for the customer to get an earlier version of their purchased product.

I have even talked with heavyocity support one time.
And there i was talking about a product that i am interested to buy.
I have researched the product on google and kvraudio and some other websites regarding vst, news ,and , sample library, news, and so on. In an attempt to learn when their initial versions was released and which year they was released. And if it was released before the date of my favorite version of Kontakt was released. Then i know if they previously had a compatibility with my favorite version of Kontakt. Before i come too late to purchase it. And realize that i maybe don't even have access to earlier versions of those purchased sample libraries. Because i didn't buy them when they was fresh and new and didn't require Kontakt 5.4 and/or higher, to begin with.
And talking to their support issues does not help either with that case.

[bharris22]

He was shit in Black Sabbath.

True, i always thought Ozzy was the only real singer for them.

Too right!

No denying the power and overall excellence of Children of the Sea, though . . . .

[GearNostalgia]

Sorry for hijacking this thread:
But did Lacrimosa work for Kontakt versions below v5.4?

Even if the 8dio product page said:
(Full Retail Version of Kontakt 5.5 (or later) Required) .


And i have too talked with 8dio support.
I simply asked them if their products are compatible with my old version of Kontakt.
And not only being compatible with the latest version of Kontakt.
And not wasting money by buying all released versions of those 8dio products,
and not only be stuck with the latest versions of them. And not wasting:
money by buying things that does not work my favorite version of Kontakt.

For example anyone is able to open any .nki file in Kontakt and then save/overwrite the opened .nki file as to make it only compatible with latest version of Kontakt or later. No knowledge of (under-the-hood) is required. Only that the user or company has to resave all their nki files and multis with the latest commercially available version of Kontakt from Native Instruments.
And then they make it impossible for the customer to get an earlier version of their purchased product.

I have even talked with heavyocity support one time.
And there i was talking about a product that i am interested to buy.
I have researched the product on google and kvraudio and some other websites regarding vst, news ,and , sample library, news, and so on. In an attempt to learn when their initial versions was released and which year they was released. And if it was released before the date of my favorite version of Kontakt was released. Then i know if they previously had a compatibility with my favorite version of Kontakt. Before i come too late to purchase it. And realize that i maybe don't even have access to earlier versions of those purchased sample libraries. Because i didn't buy them when they was fresh and new and didn't require Kontakt 5.4 and/or higher, to begin with.
And talking to their support issues does not help either with that case.

Well, they were only keen on promoting their product. They did not offer me any help so it is wise of you not to trust them. Just stay away unless you are willing to take a gamble in the dark. No point of return if it does not work. I have not touched that library since my early bitter experience. Would gladly give you my copy for super cheap if I was allowed.

[GearNostalgia]

Sorry for hijacking this thread:
But did Lacrimosa work for Kontakt versions below v5.4?

Even if the 8dio product page said:
(Full Retail Version of Kontakt 5.5 (or later) Required) .

Btw. I am a bit curious why you can not update to current Kontakt. Incompatibility issues?

[dandezebra]

Sorry for hijacking this thread:
But did Lacrimosa work for Kontakt versions below v5.4?

Even if the 8dio product page said:
(Full Retail Version of Kontakt 5.5 (or later) Required) .

I really advice you to stay away from them. Zero support and unfriendly attitude all the way. But as I am a bit curious why you can not update to current Kontakt. Incompatibility issues?

Didn't they offer you a full refund? Doesn't that mean you should edit the previous post about zero support and unfriendly attitude all the way?

I hate to keep coming back to this as I have only a few smaller 8Dio libraries and I have never dealt with their support but it still seems like you are posting stuff that isn't 100% correct.

Did you find some use out of the library yet? It looks like a beast and I would love to have it in my arsenal!

[topaz]

They offered me a discount against the price of ostinato.

Adagietto $119 Ostinato $129, then when they realised I would only have to give them $!0 backtracked and offered me %40 off.

By the way I spent over $300 in the first place and all their string shorts are terrible.

Go figure.

I would agree with the original topic.

Stay away from them.

[JonSolo]

Before I make any purchase from any company, I try to understand their politi...eh, policy behind the product. All companies have to have a policy. We can like it or not. It is quite frustrating when you are spending this kind of money knowing that if the product is not what you want/need/like etc. that there is zero recourse. Unless a product is clearly broken as a whole there is not much we can do.

That is why, when faced with this issue, and no demo is available, I listen to every example I can get my hands on, or simply steer clear of it.

Saying that, I have spent thousands with 8DIO. I have almost all of their string libraries and several choirs including Lacrimosa. While I have seen your video and understand what you are trying to convey, there is nothing in what you did that I would ever duplicate in any shape size or form in the real world. When working with mock-ups (and that is what they are MOCK-ups) you play what you would have real musicians play on their live instruments. Orchestral libraries, from any company, offer the same goodness and gripes in every library. Most of the time, we live with the short comings (8DIO is not the only one with this policy) and work with what we have. Even if our product is intended to be the final version (not a mock-up) only the most critical listener would take issue with it, but would go into the listening experience understanding that we were relying on virtual instruments.

One day down the road when SSDs are much larger, last much longer, and are much cheaper, the recording/sampling technology will hopefully be as advanced and these sound "ghosts" will be a thing of the past.

In no way am I excusing 8DIO's policies. But software, especially expensive software, cannot be viewed the way we view getting a bad meal and expecting it to be comped or replaced. There are many issues from piracy to fraud to expenses that cause a policy to be in place that doesn't exist in a standard consumers market. And from what I read, you were offered a refund. If that is what you wanted, you should take it and drop this.

The error of this library does not merit this much drama considering professionals around the world use it every day and it works in their (and my) conditions without ever a notice of the few short-comings. That goes for most of my libraries. That is why I have dozens of different libraries that do the same thing: to use what works in a given scenario. Dominus is fantastic, but would never fit when I needed an epic screaming choir. Lacrimosa is great but would not be useful for a children's choir or softer passages. Olympus is good for longer droning situations, but lacks good syllable building...which EWQL covers but the sound is not as rich, etc. etc. etc.

That is why so many have told you that we have to work to the strengths of the choirs. Tony Banks said he wrote the intro to Watcher of the Skies working around the notes on his Mellotron that were out of key. Instead of taking that Mellotron back and demanding his money and telling everyone to avoid them, we are blessed with an epic opening to the Foxtrot album. Something to think about.

[GearNostalgia]

Sorry for hijacking this thread:
But did Lacrimosa work for Kontakt versions below v5.4?

Even if the 8dio product page said:
(Full Retail Version of Kontakt 5.5 (or later) Required) .

I really advice you to stay away from them. Zero support and unfriendly attitude all the way. But as I am a bit curious why you can not update to current Kontakt. Incompatibility issues?

Didn't they offer you a full refund? Doesn't that mean you should edit the previous post about zero support and unfriendly attitude all the way?

I hate to keep coming back to this as I have only a few smaller 8Dio libraries and I have never dealt with their support but it still seems like you are posting stuff that isn't 100% correct.

Did you find some use out of the library yet? It looks like a beast and I would love to have it in my arsenal!

Well sadly you are wrong. It still is the true state of affairs. They did not make me a direct offer, they only stated that they at one time contemptated it (but withdrew from it within a few hours before I responded due to my tactics of voicing my feelings about the treatment). But you are entitled to your opinion about how you perceive it(which I understand is a bit hard considering parts of it has taken place behind the scene so to speak) and I have learned from this story how easy things gets blurry and diverted in a forum thread.

No, I have not touched that library since those 10 minutes and I never will unless it is to delete it in a process to transfer that licence or cause I have gotten a refund for it. I will not engage to speak with 8Dio again cause it has never given me anything but sadness so far. But hey, it may be just me(and some other dudes that have messaged me in private about their sad experiences) that have contacted them on bad days. You may be lucky to be their favorite customer. So feel free to contact them and say you would like to take over my license. If they can refund me and device some way to transfer my licence you can have it for 50% of the retail price. It would make a nice fairytale ending for us all. I doubt it will happen, but I would not mind if you proove me wrong. If it is your beast it would be far better for you to have it.

Still after all this bitter shit it was worth beeing away from the key and slipping up in the thread cause it has gone really well for Sweden in the Fifa world cup. Feels like a big consolation to know that I was really enjoying myself atleast

[jancivil]

But I surrender, I have to admit the superiority of two users who don’t even know how to listen to a dropbox .wav (right click open to new window/tab, play. Or right click open to new window/tab - download-direct download), they argue that my examples are worthless (without even hearing them) and don’t have any clue about how a choir sounds like.
Have a good day.

You may kiss my ass. I would never buy something by you, having this shitty disposition, so I do thank you for the reveal there. There's competition on every thing I've seen you put out, just a pro tip.

It's just extremely immature, you can't actually use good reasoning to meet my points so you do an ad hominem based on one's expectation the link streamed AS THEY USED TO DO from dropbox. I bloody well know 'right-click/save as', genius. I just don't want the file on my drive. It's full. I reported I couldn't hear it. That's one thing here that is a fact. I did not tell you any more about it than that, so you seem pretty desperate to look... what this word you like, *superior*?

I don't care about your examples. My argument hinges on: does the choir exhibit this overtone in an anechoic chamber? I tend to doubt that, son.

[jancivil]

This sound is part of any choir performance. And actually, contrary to what Troels said, I believe that’s part of the choir sound itself more than the acoustics of the room. The sound is more present of closer microphones and the distance actually attenuates it. And it’s naturally more evident on higher dynamics.

So is this a fact, or a belief you have that another developer of choir libraries may not share with you?
What are we even talking about? Perception? Reality? "OVERTONES"?

I don't buy anything you argue because of the tactics you use to try and make yourself seem authoritative (which appears to require making others seem ignorant if not plain stupid).
Someone reported a whistling sound and made a demonstration of something they found using what seemed to me a hasty method, but on certain notes in the middle range there is a pronounced, to me very ugly sound.
Then you decided that because you don't much like what that guy did at another whole forum, not being very responsive to you practically in real time there, there's this whole top-down assessment from you of what other people perceive wrongly, there can't have been a problem because you know better.

I have NO idea what a particular choir in a very reflective environment doing Barber's Adagio is supposed to have done to help anybody come to your point about this, whatever it is; no one actually knows, because the entirety of it is an internet forum discussion using words (oh, and NOW there's pictures!).

There is one term used, 'overtones'. These, whatever they're supposed to be, must be present in every possible choir anywhere in all of history now, because your *belief* is just_that_strong now.
Give us a facking break. And I would advise you as your mother maybe should be doing, this is no way to rep a business. You showed me a person I'll never support with my hard-to-come-by dollar.