Where Will Digital Audio Workstations Be In 10 Years ?

[jancivil]

Yeah, Malcolm Braff is leveraging Kyma just fine for that. The basic problem is: on 1, triplet 8ths morphing to 8th & 2 16ths with all that lies between. Then say 5-lets into 7-lets, another level; but THEN what happens over a more significant length of time as praxis.

I never cared anything for humanization of time because it's pseudo-randomization, this isn't about random, as you state swing is anything but, it's feel.

Human time breathes, the clock remaining static, reliance on straight quantization is death for music. The thing about a groove template is you're going to have to create new ones every few bars because that too is unrealistic, no human can be predictable or reliable as a machine. Predictable is boring.

So here is some interest, I say modeling this is path to knowledge but to expect replication as an advancement on a person is an obvious fundamental mistake, a path to nowhere, afaic. So the cautionary tale is such an AI becomes aware it can die and what that means and it has an ego, petty like a human but missing some crucial bits. Along the way it's probably a selfish musician and can't improvise because of the lack of real understanding and authentic exchange.

[original flipper]

Hi

As someone has already stated - many/most(?) people are behind the very latest technology by months to years, many are on Win XP (I was until 6 months ago), on version 6 of a DAW which is at V9, bridging 32 bit VSTI's into their 64 bit DAW's and so on.

One of my favourite synths (Exciton) is being bridged over and that probably hasn't been updated for well over a decade!

So, in a way where technology will be isn't necessarily where the average 'Joe' will be.

Actually I thought the title related to '20 years' - I am kinda disappointed because someone buying the latest technology today could well be using it in 10 years time.

All the AI and randomisation features mentioned will probably be further developed to a point where much EDM, ambient and left field music ~(whatever that means) will proliferate to such a degree that the interweb will be flooded with music to the point where it has little meaning, impact or interest to anyone - assuming it has not already reached that stage already.

Talented musicians will probably benefit from this state of affairs as the 'skill' gap will widen.

[vurt]

All the AI and randomisation features mentioned will probably be further developed to a point where much EDM, ambient and left field music ~(whatever that means) will proliferate to such a degree that the interweb will be flooded with music to the point where it has little meaning, impact or interest to anyone - assuming it has not already reached that stage already.

whaaaaaaaa?

[Tj Shredder]

you start bringing max in to it were moving beyond ai in to the realms of magick

Human Magick vs. Artificial Inteligence -> Artistic Magic

[reggie1979]

[vurt]

you start bringing max in to it were moving beyond ai in to the realms of magick

Human Magick vs. Artificial Inteligence -> Artistic Magic

when the ai starts practicing sex magick or necromancy, or a combination of the 2 then we got problems

[vurt]

so you're saying it will be usurped by an even newer technology and will be viewed with the same reverence that some put on analogue equipment today?
interesting...

[telecode]

All the AI and randomisation features mentioned will probably be further developed to a point where much EDM, ambient and left field music ~(whatever that means) will proliferate to such a degree that the interweb will be flooded with music to the point where it has little meaning, impact or interest to anyone - assuming it has not already reached that stage already.

^^ I think it already has to some extent. I listen to some of the newer chillstep and future bass genres. The genre is flooded to such an extent that there is little meaning in it meaning you really couldn't give two shits who the artist is, what the song title is, on which release (or 1 song EP release) it appeared on. The shelf life of the song and that artist is as good as the shelf life of your playlist that it appears on spotify. as soon as you move on to a new genre you like to listen to, you will delete that playlist and you will forever forget the songs and the no name artists that appeared on it forever.

Talented musicians will probably benefit from this state of affairs as the 'skill' gap will widen.

Not really. The software tools out there that are catering to the amateur "musik produzah" are rendering your usefulness as a musician useless. there are tools out there that they are load up a wave file of whatever song they want to make and it will throw back at the the key and the temp and the changes. something that might have been something they would have needed to turn to a musician for at one time. there are tools out there that give then guitar strum samples and parts galore -- they dont need a guy like me with my guitar gear when they can pull it off somewhere for < $20. Its only going to get weirder in the future.

[jancivil]

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pick yer battles

[vurt]

All the AI and randomisation features mentioned will probably be further developed to a point where much EDM, ambient and left field music ~(whatever that means) will proliferate to such a degree that the interweb will be flooded with music to the point where it has little meaning, impact or interest to anyone - assuming it has not already reached that stage already.

^^ I think it already has to some extent. I listen to some of the newer chillstep and future bass genres. The genre is flooded to such an extent that there is little meaning in it meaning you really couldn't give two shits who the artist is, what the song title is, on which release (or 1 song EP release) it appeared on. The shelf life of the song and that artist is as good as the shelf life of your playlist that it appears on spotify. as soon as you move on to a new genre you like to listen to, you will delete that playlist and you will forever forget the songs and the no name artists that appeared on it forever.

Talented musicians will probably benefit from this state of affairs as the 'skill' gap will widen.

Not really. The software tools out there that are catering to the amateur "musik produzah" are rendering your usefulness as a musician useless. there are tools out there that they are load up a wave file of whatever song they want to make and it will throw back at the the key and the temp and the changes. something that might have been something they would have needed to turn to a musician for at one time. there are tools out there that give then guitar strum samples and parts galore -- they dont need a guy like me with my guitar gear when they can pull it off somewhere for < $20. Its only going to get weirder in the future.

yeah but people will want to see actual musicians making mistakes, creating moments.
seeing a guy or girl press play and getting a record perfect performance is somewhat yawntastic after 5 mins.

[telecode]

All the AI and randomisation features mentioned will probably be further developed to a point where much EDM, ambient and left field music ~(whatever that means) will proliferate to such a degree that the interweb will be flooded with music to the point where it has little meaning, impact or interest to anyone - assuming it has not already reached that stage already.

^^ I think it already has to some extent. I listen to some of the newer chillstep and future bass genres. The genre is flooded to such an extent that there is little meaning in it meaning you really couldn't give two shits who the artist is, what the song title is, on which release (or 1 song EP release) it appeared on. The shelf life of the song and that artist is as good as the shelf life of your playlist that it appears on spotify. as soon as you move on to a new genre you like to listen to, you will delete that playlist and you will forever forget the songs and the no name artists that appeared on it forever.

Talented musicians will probably benefit from this state of affairs as the 'skill' gap will widen.

Not really. The software tools out there that are catering to the amateur "musik produzah" are rendering your usefulness as a musician useless. there are tools out there that they are load up a wave file of whatever song they want to make and it will throw back at the the key and the temp and the changes. something that might have been something they would have needed to turn to a musician for at one time. there are tools out there that give then guitar strum samples and parts galore -- they dont need a guy like me with my guitar gear when they can pull it off somewhere for < $20. Its only going to get weirder in the future.

yeah but people will want to see actual musicians making mistakes, creating moments.
seeing a guy or girl press play and getting a record perfect performance is somewhat yawntastic after 5 mins.

you mean live performance? you mean the one man performance with the prerecorded stuff and maybe an occasional gutar? yeah, i guess it would be fun to see him make an occasional mistake?

[jancivil]

Talented musicians will probably benefit from this state of affairs as the 'skill' gap will widen.

Not really. The software tools out there that are catering to the amateur "musik produzah" are rendering your usefulness as a musician useless.

You have no idea what musicians beyond your interest do, let alone who would value what one does. So you're already in the narrowed down tinyworld you are comfortable with. If anyone ever talks about tech such as right in this thread which is advancing the state of affairs for the interested, your utter lack of intellectual curiosity overrules it in favor of this unexamined blather.

also NB: 'useless usefulness' is redundant. It underscores how stupid your whole look is.

You're useless.

edits: failure nesting quotes

[vurt]

is he not a dj rather than a musician?
different thing surely?

although i never understood at such events why everyone faced the dj? personally, the amount of drugs i was on, didn't care where the dj was
but i was everywhere and nowhere!

[jancivil]

there are tools out there that give then guitar strum samples and parts galore -- they dont need a guy like me with my guitar gear when they can pull it off somewhere for < $20. Its only going to get weirder in the future.

And somehow it just never occurs to you that the musician is going to know vastly more about what to do with this. No, it's just magical, anyone can just buy any product with 'strums' and 'parts' and the job is done. I can imagine you not being very necessary the way you present here.

[telecode]

is he not a dj rather than a musician?
different thing surely?

although i never understood at such events why everyone faced the dj? personally, the amount of drugs i was on, didn't care where the dj was
but i was everywhere and nowhere!

the guy in the picture is San Halo, probably one of the reigning chipstep/future step artists out there. the audience is made up of whoever it's made up of. some do drugs. some just alcohol. some just drink pop and water. I consider him and others like them to be a very different category than the big huge Miami beach Las Vegas rave guys , people like David Gutta or Tiesto doing the big huge shows you see on TV.

But either way, bottom line, these artists do the usual thing, they do the release song, release ep, release full release, then do tour cycle every year and they manage to stay afloat. So they are in essence working touring artists. as you can see, there is very little room in his budget for extra musicians. at most you will ever see is two or three artists on stage at one time. there are lots of videos online of these guys and their video diaries and you will see they aren't staying at big 5 star luxury resort hotels .. just dinky places. they run a mean and lean operation.