Strymon Big Sky Plugin

[SonicDimension]

I think that when comparing any digital instruments or effects (whether hardware or software), the most important factor is the minds of the programmers. Building these tools requires both engineering and artistic skills. That’s what makes products from companies like ValhallaDSP and Strymon great. People like Sean and Pete aren’t just brilliant engineers and designers; they have finely-tuned perception of the aesthetic properties of audio in a musical context. They have the ability to discern when an algorithm sounds good, and when it needs more tweaking.

[vurt]

just in a pedal, the dry signal doesn't do ad/da it's just straight through, only the wet is converted.

If we're talking about digital reverb effect pedals then it depends. My Digitech RV7 does ad/da convert the dry signal. TC Electronic Hall of Fame (as an example) has analog-dry-through, doesn't convert dry to digital and back.

well yes there are indeed pedals that don't have a true dry signal, but as it's the strymon plug in thread, i was thinking of the strymon pedal

Sorry. So you prefer playing the Strymon Big Sky hw pedal with zero dry signal latency instead of playing the plugin with whole signal latency, right?

in practice myself, not so much.
but i was following up on a comment chk had made, about something he had read about hw fx compared to sw on gearspace. and as he doesn't use hw, was trying to give him some information as to why this was said

[vurt]

tbh, i only joined the thread to point out batmans hypocrisy over spending.

[VitaminD]

tbh, i only joined the thread to point out batmans hypocrisy over spending.

But he has sensitive skin.. the batspray has to be specially formulated with the aloe vera!! The aloe vera.

[vurt]

[kritikon]

tbh, i only joined the thread to point out batmans hypocrisy over spending.

But he has sensitive skin.. the batspray has to be specially formulated with the aloe vera!! The aloe vera.

Meeeeooowwwwwwwww...

[vurt]

tbh, i only joined the thread to point out batmans hypocrisy over spending.

But he has sensitive skin.. the batspray has to be specially formulated with the aloe vera!! The aloe vera.

Meeeeooowwwwwwwww...

f**king hell, catwoman has let herself go a bit

[_leras]

No I didn’t.

Yes, you did:

<panto crowd> Oh no he doesn't!

[_leras]

Strymon is 4x the price of Valhalla and let me reassure you that it sounds at least 4x better as well, if your measurement is how a hardware reverb behaves in a mix, even though taste in sound is subjective.

Well.... actually it isn't really. If you got Valhalla Vintage, Room, Plate and Shimmer - it comes out at about the same. With Valhalla perhaps having a bit more fine tuning/options available.

I think this Strymon sounds pretty good, but the sounds I liked from it's demo page most sounded really very much like Valhalla Plate can sound.

I'd say it's more equivalent if you took the four valhalla and maybe the free supermassive for giant spaces, and had someone create you 12 presets across these plug ins, choosing some of the modes from each and giving them a name (and maybe adding some post verb EQ).

I think the Big Sky by limiting options and having these 'tuned' verbs probably with things like eq curves baked in is probably very quick to use.

Valhalla might take a bit more effort for some tones, but I'm sure gets there with some post EQ.

[chk071]

Valhalla might take a bit more effort for some tones, but I'm sure gets there with some post EQ.

The issue I always take with that is that you basically can apply that to anything. It's not a sign of quality that you can get there with some post EQ, rather the opposite. If I need to EQ, and work a lot, rather than something sounding good out of the box, then it's simply something I don't hold in the highest regards. It happened a lot to me with soft synths, until I found the ones which actually sound good to me.

Yes, you can also get z3ta+ to sound like Spire, but, why the effort, if Spire sounds good out of the box? Just an example.

Everyone EQ's everything, but, if you need to work to get something to sound right, then it simply doesn't sound right.

[FapFilter]

I think i‘ve never had a reverb that didn’t require EQing (and I’ve had some expensive ones, like the lexicons from UAD, or 2CAudio‘s B2)
Not that this has to be a bad thing, just a side note.

[chk071]

Everyone EQ's. What I was picking up is _leras' statement about "Valhalla might take a bit more effort for some tones". It's something I noticed with synths and also with fx plugins. Some simply take more effort to sound right, and, that's bad. At least for me. I like stuff which sounds good out of the box, and doesn't require a lot of effort to sound the way I want it.

I never found out if I can get there with the Valhalla reverbs. I just sold them, when I realized that they don't do what I want them to do, while other stuff does. To each his own, they just didn't satisfy me. Considering my experience with them, I can see why they don't work for others.

[zvenx]

I think i‘ve never had a reverb that didn’t require EQing (and I’ve had some expensive ones, like the lexicons from UAD, or 2CAudio‘s B2)
Not that this has to be a bad thing, just a side note.

Curious have you tried:
Exponential Audio, Relab or LiquidSonics (Reverb Foundry) Reverbs?

rsp

[FapFilter]

Nope, as i haven’t been looking into new reverbs for several years now, especially none that are using ilok.
My newest reverb is probably Pro-R, which for instance, requires me to HP/LP way more than my valhalla (vv, as I’m not that fond of their others)

[chk071]

Nope, as i haven’t been looking into new reverbs for several years now, especially none that are using ilok.

Good call. They're as addictive as synths.

I'm almost happy that this is pricey, because I'm less prone to buying it then...