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stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:37 pm

LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
S_A_P wrote:and why is it that we cant seem to get this fact through our heads. why does one host have to "suck" because it doesnt suit your needs? why is everything a competition?
Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?

The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:39 pm

stefancrs wrote:
LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
S_A_P wrote:and why is it that we cant seem to get this fact through our heads. why does one host have to "suck" because it doesnt suit your needs? why is everything a competition?
Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?
The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.

Huh?

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:50 pm

EricRichmond wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
S_A_P wrote:and why is it that we cant seem to get this fact through our heads. why does one host have to "suck" because it doesnt suit your needs? why is everything a competition?
Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?
The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.
Huh?

Ok. Here's the deal. I think it seems really stupid to have all the automation for a track in the same track, hard to keep track of things when one automates 4 or more parameters. imo. But that's not why I wrote what I did above. If you read my post prior to S_A_P's one you might understand the irony

LoRez · Post by **LoRez** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:51 pm

stefancrs wrote:
LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
S_A_P wrote:and why is it that we cant seem to get this fact through our heads. why does one host have to "suck" because it doesnt suit your needs? why is everything a competition?
Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?
The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.

Care to be more specific? Also, wasn't it amongst the list of "good hosts" you just rattled off a few posts ago?

LoRez · Post by **LoRez** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:57 pm

stefancrs wrote:
EricRichmond wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
S_A_P wrote:and why is it that we cant seem to get this fact through our heads. why does one host have to "suck" because it doesnt suit your needs? why is everything a competition?
Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?
The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.
Huh?
Ok. Here's the deal. I think it seems really stupid to have all the automation for a track in the same track, hard to keep track of things when one automates 4 or more parameters. imo. But that's not why I wrote what I did above. If you read my post prior to S_A_P's one you might understand the irony

It's not hard considering the envelopes get different colors and can be shown/hidden independently. Don't you think to say that the way this feature is implemented makes Sonar practically unuseable for professional work is bit of an irrational statement?

Forever Sun · Post by **Forever Sun** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:10 pm

LoRez wrote: Don't you think to say that the way this feature is implemented makes Sonar practically unuseable for professional work is bit of an irrational statement?

Yeah,imagine the record executive in your studio saying:
" I dunno, love the music, but..how can I put it...the way the automation data is displayed makes it impossible to offer you this score ...sorry..Hans Zimmer has all the automation lines displayed on separate tracks...Cubase, you know? I saw it wit me own eyes..he'll get the job.."

...

stefancrs wrote:The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.

Give it some perspective guys.

easy now

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:10 pm

LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
EricRichmond wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
LoRez wrote:
stefancrs wrote: Because that hosts sucks? Sonar for instance.
Huh?
The automation handling makes it practically unusable for professional music making.
Huh?
Ok. Here's the deal. I think it seems really stupid to have all the automation for a track in the same track, hard to keep track of things when one automates 4 or more parameters. imo. But that's not why I wrote what I did above. If you read my post prior to S_A_P's one you might understand the irony
It's not hard considering the envelopes get different colors and can be shown/hidden independently. Don't you think to say that the way this feature is implemented makes Sonar practically unuseable for professional work is bit of an irrational statement?

Again, the irony. Yes I listed it as one of the hosts that gives you great means to make great music. And I meant that

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:18 pm

Having the automation globally displayed is a real advantage. I think is is a significant advance. I have been a bit frustrated at the nebulous "edit events" mode that older versions used. E.g., on older projects I would forget where the automated parameters were.

I think it is the ususal block with understanding the workings of the Fruity playlist that causing the miscues here.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:26 pm

I think the main problem here is that I praised "all hosts" and then dissed one and people started arguing with me for the dissing

_niko_ · Post by **_niko_** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:21 pm

stefancrs wrote:I think the main problem here is that I praised "all hosts" and then dissed one and people started arguing with me for the dissing

Yeah, looks as if

Btw, I agree with you on the list of hosts you mentioned, except Podium of course

Niko

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:46 pm

Well if you think that automation is preventing you from making good music then its not your hosts fault.

Either way the automation of sonar is perfectly useable IMHO, again, its not a pissing contest...

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:53 pm

S_A_P wrote:Well if you think that automation is preventing you from making good music then its not your hosts fault.

Either way the automation of sonar is perfectly useable IMHO, again, its not a pissing contest...

Friggins sake! Get with the irony

I quite clearly said that for instance Sonar is a great tool for music making and then I said that it sucks just for [insert whatever reason here]. It's no funny being funny when people just think you are funny :/

beltrom · Post by **beltrom** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:01 pm

stefancrs wrote: Friggins sake! Get with the irony I quite clearly said that for instance Sonar is a great tool for music making and then I said that it sucks just for [insert whatever reason here]. It's no funny being funny when people just think you are funny :/

You stupid Swedes - always trying to be funny! You just don't have that skill. Get over it.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:06 pm

beltrom wrote:
stefancrs wrote: Friggins sake! Get with the irony I quite clearly said that for instance Sonar is a great tool for music making and then I said that it sucks just for [insert whatever reason here]. It's no funny being funny when people just think you are funny :/
You stupid Swedes - always trying to be funny! You just don't have that skill. Get over it.

Are you a sonar user? "don efter person", because you suck as much as Sonar.

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:07 pm

stefancrs,

haha, I for one was just busting your chops, I got the joke but I probably should have stated something to that effect.

Cubase SX3 vs. Sonar 4