D16 Nepheton 2 is coming

[Echoes in the Attic]

i'm getting close to 808 with the hats, but when i A/B with the hardware there is some magic in the release I cannot replicate, a defective component maybe, must be tough emulating those sizzle
i've been on the middle oversampling though, i need to select Ultra or whatever next time i open Nepheton.

So good to have it back in my kit. Thank you D16 Group!

Unfortunately, I have the same feeling. I had hoped to get a bit closer to it too. There is still something different in my perception.

I think it's a fantastic drum machine on it's own with an 808 inspired sound that I fully recommend to have. I'm even not saying a 808 is better. But I'm still not 100% satisfied as an emulation.

How do you think some time later sqigls?

I feel the same. But not in comparison to the hardware, but to the Roland Cloud version. I do like Nepheton 2, especially how flexible it is. But there is still something in the Roland Cloud one that feels more the real deal, particularly the snare. I've been thinking I might just multi-sample the Roland 808 snare with round robins and use that in combination with Nepheton.

[sqigls]

yeah i had to give up comparing it and just enjoy what it is. I have a few other 808 plugins that have a more favourable 808 snare sound. I don't know if maybe D16's 808 sounds exactly like that or perhaps getting it sound more accurate would take the CPU hit through the roof? I was hoping Nepheton 2 would sound a lot more like the hardware sound I'M familiar with, but it still sounds good and i'll be using it a lot. I think I'm actually liking it more as i go, the hats aren't too bad, but the snare i might often replace with a sample.

one thing that pings me off about their plugins is that i can't see the current value of a knob upon mouseover until i move the knob, thus defeating the purpose of knowing what the current value is.

[midi_transmission]

i'm getting close to 808 with the hats, but when i A/B with the hardware there is some magic in the release I cannot replicate, a defective component maybe, must be tough emulating those sizzle
i've been on the middle oversampling though, i need to select Ultra or whatever next time i open Nepheton.

So good to have it back in my kit. Thank you D16 Group!

Unfortunately, I have the same feeling. I had hoped to get a bit closer to it too. There is still something different in my perception.

I think it's a fantastic drum machine on it's own with an 808 inspired sound that I fully recommend to have. I'm even not saying a 808 is better. But I'm still not 100% satisfied as an emulation.

How do you think some time later sqigls?

I feel the same. But not in comparison to the hardware, but to the Roland Cloud version. I do like Nepheton 2, especially how flexible it is. But there is still something in the Roland Cloud one that feels more the real deal, particularly the snare. I've been thinking I might just multi-sample the Roland 808 snare with round robins and use that in combination with Nepheton.

I like to mix with it samples too. Works also great to get a bit different color. I even wondered if a super simple sampler with RR that can be switched with the synth modules would be a great addition.

That's interesting. For me it's primarily the hat department where I prefer samples. The snare on the other hand sounds quite similar to my sample and to how I know a 808. Would be funny when a large part of this perception is just normal 808 model variance plus our personal preference to things we know.

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one thing that pings me off about their plugins is that i can't see the current value of a knob upon mouseover until i move the knob, thus defeating the purpose of knowing what the current value is.

Same for me. But I don't want to have the popup on mouseover at the same time.

That's one of the reasons why I don't like the trend to use popups to show the values. A fixed field in the plugin is much better for me to use, because it works great with mouseover in combination. Like U-he synth.

Is it maybe enough to show the popup as soon as you mousedown on the button?

[ericzang]

i can't see the current value of a knob upon mouseover until i move the knob

I agree. A workaround is to right click the knob.

[bite_me]

I cannot get Nepheton 2 to cut through other instruments. It seems to be a bit invisible. Great sound on it´s own though...
As soon I add other instruments, it disappears - especially the kickdrum. Pity.
Have to try the high-quality-mode.

[GruvSyco]

Might seem silly to ask but have you tried EQing around the drums or side chain compression. It’s not really uncommon for electronic instruments to compete for sonic space.

[bite_me]

Not really EQ ing very much . Tend to ditch drums for others that are beefier with less effort in mixing tasks. Sidechain is a thing I use pretty often. Love shaperbox for that.

[sqigls]

I cannot get Nepheton 2 to cut through other instruments. It seems to be a bit invisible. Great sound on it´s own though...
As soon I add other instruments, it disappears - especially the kickdrum. Pity.
Have to try the high-quality-mode.

the new Dropkick plugin is the perfect enhancer for Nepheton's kick drum.

[bite_me]

THX
Will make Dropkick to visit my drums!

[midi_transmission]

It sounds like a normal mix problem or wrong sound setting for the specific track? That's what I would focus on. In my experience the kick generator is fine.

[bite_me]

Watched some "Mix Kick and 808" tutorials now on YT

[Vortifex]

I find Nepheton's hats cut through the mix a bit too much. They have a nasty resonance that's absent from the original 808. Always have to notch that out to stop my ears bleeding.

[bite_me]

@ Vortifex
Yes, the hats sound quite lofi and need deessing. Definitely not that silky...

@squigls
Dropkick is badass!! Wow.

[sqigls]

yeah the hats cut through, but just don't cut it de-esser for sure

anyone found a way to use patch change messages or similar to change saved kits in a live set?
cheers