why they love to hate logic

[popsych]

Btw, someone is yet to adress the matter that apple seem extremely more prolific in developing software than they are putting hardware together. Why should you be blackmailed into using that inferior hardware by means of software; and please don't even try to deny the inferior hardware (especially value for money taken into account) unless stevie now has ultimate control (not to mention proprietary rights- CoreBrain TM -) over mac users brains

Hmmmm..... Inferior hardware. I'll refer to my first post in this thread, wherein I mentioned that I own a three year old G4 mac with a CAPACITOR BROKEN OFF OF THE MOTHERBOARD FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS which is STILL RUNNING FLAWLESSLY.

Enough with the capacitor thing already mate. I could strip my PC of a few whole IC's and still have it working let alone capacitors. If you don't know the electronics behind stuff, just keep ya mouth shut

[jones-y]

Btw, someone is yet to adress the matter that apple seem extremely more prolific in developing software than they are putting hardware together. Why should you be blackmailed into using that inferior hardware by means of software; and please don't even try to deny the inferior hardware (especially value for money taken into account) unless stevie now has ultimate control (not to mention proprietary rights- CoreBrain TM -) over mac users brains

Hmmmm..... Inferior hardware. I'll refer to my first post in this thread, wherein I mentioned that I own a three year old G4 mac with a CAPACITOR BROKEN OFF OF THE MOTHERBOARD FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS which is STILL RUNNING FLAWLESSLY.

Enough with the capacitor thing already mate. I could strip my PC of a few whole IC's and still have it working let alone capacitors. If you don't know the electronics behind stuff, just keep ya mouth shut

Oh how courteous of you popsych. So I guess I should just rip up my BSEE? Since I'm impressed that my damaged hardware works.

I was gonna rip you, but quite obviously, you're not worth it.

[egbert]

MJ4,

the capacitor story is destined for an early retirement.

Fear not, you can tell it again - say at a Mac Zealots convention in 2045 - just before William Shatner's head is brought out - it will be connected to a whole cybernetic life support system - and he tells you all to get a life.



Eg

[jones-y]

egbert,

while the point that my cap story isn't a catastrophic, cataclysmic event that any "mortal" computer couldn't survive, I still find comfort in the fact that my mobo is a quality mobo, while others don't even work as advertised, out of the box.

If there's something wrong with me being appreciative of that, and expressing that appreciation on a Logic/Mac bash thread, then possibly I'm in the wrong place.

[jones-y]

Oh, and popsych, courtesy begets courtesy. So i'll try to be the bigger person....

[egbert]

egbert,

while the point that my cap story isn't a catastrophic, cataclysmic event that any "mortal" computer couldn't survive, I still find comfort in the fact that my mobo is a quality mobo, while others don't even work as advertised, out of the box.

I just don't think you can make a sound inference about quality from this capacitor story and I am surpised that you do.

Most Mac hardware is fabricated by the same people in Taiwan that make PC gear - Compal etc. There is no reason to think it is better than Gigabyte, Asus, MSI - higher end boards from the top tier Taiwanese companies are decent and even Intel's branded boards are made by these people. Follow any PC DAW discussion and these manufacturers are the ones that get recommended - with a specified chipset and feature set.

The thing is - if your mobo dies in a Mac and you haven't been paying money into some extortionate scheme to extend your warranty you will have to pay an inflated price to replace it after the original warranty period is up. If a similar quality PC board dies out of warranty, replacing it will be cheap as chips.

If there's something wrong with me being appreciative of that, and expressing that appreciation on a Logic/Mac bash thread, then possibly I'm in the wrong place.

Again - you can be pleased about your Mobo and I can be pleased with the Asus TUSL2C that I'm typing this on but really the capacitor thing is not any kind of indicator of quality - more of bad management (could happen to anyone OK) and good fortune.

Eg

[jones-y]

Fair enough Eg, I'll shut up about my cap story. See popsych, courtesy begets courtesy...

I'm not intimately familiar with mobo manufacturing process, or design for that matter, but I do have a handle on the basics. So how much redundancy (if that's the real reason my mobo survived) is manuf'ed into quality mobos?

I was aware that they were manuf'ed by the same folks in Asia, though. And I'm familiar with the better mobo vendors, and I recommend them and build systems for others using them myself.

[pough]

Yes, admittedly the first steps are harder to get through... What's so complicated then?

I'm sorry, but I just had to revive this from the first page. The answer to your question is, the first steps.

Which in some cases is nothing and in others is everything.