SUNO is killer!

[zerocrossing]

the progress is wild to see...for introverts and people that struggle to find collaborators...despite the beauty of the communal synergies that are lost,...the ability to sketch their ideas and demo songs at this level of polish probably feels quite liberating...here is kvr's own grabtracks developer with a nice AI assisted diddie

I do struggle with this type of application. On one hand, he did write the song. If you're a song writer, as I mainly consider myself, how is this different than handing your song off to a band? Nobody wants to do your song but you, at least at that stage of your career. Sunos does, for a month fee.

On the other hand, could it do the type of production that I want? I bet it couldn't really do anything specific, if it's anything like the image stuff I messed around with. That was the best example I've heard in terms of sound quality, but I kind of hate that ultra-perfect, over produced sound.

I might have to experiment with it a bit. I have a handful of what I call "Rutle parody songs." Little one-off tunes I wrote as specific homages and parodies of British Invasion tunes from the 60s. They'd be fun to hear, but a lot of work that I don't feel like doing, plus I couldn't really do them justice, as I don't have the proper guitars to really get it right. Could Sunos give me the sound of a Rickenbacher 360? Could it give me a vocal that sounds reminiscent of the Rutland sound? I guess I'll see.

[BONES]

The voice is synthesized, similar to the cello.

In that case, I thought it was awful and ruined the song. Honestly. Have you listened to the track I posted on ghettosynth's thread? The vocal is way OTT but basically I really like it and it worries me that when we replace it with my dulcet tones it is going to ruin the songs (which some might consider a trademark of my vocal style). The other side of that coin, of course, is that it will likely spur me to get outside of my comfort zone, which might be good for me and the music (or equally likely, it could be a total disaster).

[zerocrossing]

The voice is synthesized, similar to the cello.

In that case, I thought it was awful and ruined the song. Honestly. Have you listened to the track I posted on ghettosynth's thread? The vocal is way OTT but basically I really like it and it worries me that when we replace it with my dulcet tones it is going to ruin the songs (which some might consider a trademark of my vocal style). The other side of that coin, of course, is that it will likely spur me to get outside of my comfort zone, which might be good for me and the music (or equally likely, it could be a total disaster).

I think you suck. Everything about you. Like an angry slab of bologna that makes crap music.

[Grizzellda]

Come on dude, that is not very nice....

Are you serious? Like really insulting BONES? I dunno if you guys have some history, but you're alright to me. I think alot of us run our mouths here, Grizzellda included! Get stuffed!

Also, we need to hear more of BONES dulcet tones, ...ah, yes, those dulcet tones, like velvet really. Sure, velvety, like Mel Torme'! Could frankly blend nicely with zerocrossing's synthetic vocal approach, before Grizzellda comes in with AC/DC & Van Halen riffs, and then it's basically all over. Goodnight!

And speaking of that, it is heavy early here, so I am getting ready to say goodnight to KVR, have really been into posting for the last few weeks after a long break. Feels healthy.

[BONES]

I think you suck. Everything about you. Like an angry slab of bologna that makes crap music.

And here was me not wanting to hurt your feelings when I thought it might have been your voice. Next time I'll just give it to you straight.

[zerocrossing]

Come on dude, that is not very nice....

Are you serious? Like really insulting BONES? I dunno if you guys have some history, but you're alright to me. I think alot of us run our mouths here, Grizzellda included! Get stuffed!

Also, we need to hear more of BONES dulcet tones, ...ah, yes, those dulcet tones, like velvet really. Sure, velvety, like Mel Torme'! Could frankly blend nicely with zerocrossing's synthetic vocal approach, before Grizzellda comes in with AC/DC & Van Halen riffs, and then it's basically all over. Goodnight!

And speaking of that, it is heavy early here, so I am getting ready to say goodnight to KVR, have really been into posting for the last few weeks after a long break. Feels healthy.

I'm blocking you as well. I know what you are.

[Zeisner]

I'm blocking you as well. I know what you are.

[Zeisner]

I think you suck. Everything about you. Like an angry slab of bologna that makes crap music.

...who makes so little money with his music after decades of trying that he can't even afford a Tunee subscription...

[zerocrossing]

I'm blocking you as well. I know what you are.

I’m of the opinion that there are no two better people on this forum that could be improved by being replaced by ChatGPT.

[zerocrossing]

I think you suck. Everything about you. Like an angry slab of bologna that makes crap music.

...who makes so little money with his music after decades of trying that he can't even afford a Tunee subscription...

I wouldn’t conflate monetary success with success in general when it comes to being an artist. Like I’ve illustrated in the past, I’ve had two pretty financially successful periods, and periods of little to no income from art. Nothing about me or what I do changed. I’m sure every one of us can point to a superstar and say, “wtf? Why them?”

So, I think very little of BONES and his poor imitation of Front 242. If there are any musicians who should be replaced by AI, I think he’s a fine choice. Even he is eager to be replaced. I’ve long had him blocked, as usually, I find his opinions to be the opposite of what I think, so when he says my synthesized voice has ruined my song, I know that I’m on the right path.

Of course, as I always say, I’d love to work with a real human. That’s my preference. I’ve yet to have a person take me up on it. No biggie. I’m going to keep trying to do what I do, as I have since 1979. First I’d try to fake string sounds using a Vox Continental. Then I moved up to a Juno 106, later a DX21, etc. I have always been interested in using technology in music to get the results that I want, but at the root of it, it’s my music.

Last week I woke up from a dream and within 10 minutes had the skeleton of a song, with lyrics and all. I may not have many skills, but I think I’m excellent at this. Better than most, including commercially successful music. I don’t care if anyone agrees with me, or pays me. The idea of turning to Sunos to compose music for me is nauseating. Like buying a machine to feed me and wipe my butt like a baby. Seeing people eager for it is nauseating as well. Can’t think of a tune? Go listen to some human music. There’s plenty. Not everyone needs to make music, and if you don’t make money on it, and don’t enjoy it, what’s the point?

[Ou_Tis]

Interestingly, unless things change again, we probably won't use AI after this album. Every new version seems to make it harder and harder to get it to do anything interesting. We don't know whether that's just the way it is evolving, if it is being neutered to keep the creators safe from lawsuits of if the vein we were tapping has simply run dry. Whatever the reason, it is around two months now since we got anything useful from it. The things it spits out now are far more commercial/mainstream sounding, no matter how much you tell it to do something else.

Even with the Weirdness slider cranked up? Or does Tunee not allow that?

[BONES]

He's tried everything, nothing works. I hadn't actually looked at Tunee for a few months, too busy turning Ai songs into NOVAkILL songs, but having a play around now, it's quite different. It's a more conversational approach, like ChatGPT. You can still upload a reference track, which it seems to take some notice of, but the vocals are totally inappropriate and there doesn't seem to be a lot you can do about it. That's not a problem for us, as we're not going to use the AI vocals, but it makes it hard to hear through to whether the underlying music is worth exploring or not.

[Ou_Tis]

He's tried everything, nothing works. I hadn't actually looked at Tunee for a few months, too busy turning Ai songs into NOVAkILL songs, but having a play around now, it's quite different. It's a more conversational approach, like ChatGPT. You can still upload a reference track, which it seems to take some notice of, but the vocals are totally inappropriate and there doesn't seem to be a lot you can do about it. That's not a problem for us, as we're not going to use the AI vocals, but it makes it hard to hear through to whether the underlying music is worth exploring or not.

It seems that Tunee removed Suno integration a few months ago and now exclusively uses their own proprietary models.

"Farewell - The Soul of Tunee is Gone Without Suno"

https://forum.tunee.ai/t/farewell-the-s ... -suno/2273

[ghettosynth]

Oh you guys...Krew Very Ready is here to celebrate the moment with a classic track for these special moments.

[ghettosynth]

He's tried everything, nothing works. I hadn't actually looked at Tunee for a few months, too busy turning Ai songs into NOVAkILL songs, but having a play around now, it's quite different. It's a more conversational approach, like ChatGPT. You can still upload a reference track, which it seems to take some notice of, but the vocals are totally inappropriate and there doesn't seem to be a lot you can do about it. That's not a problem for us, as we're not going to use the AI vocals, but it makes it hard to hear through to whether the underlying music is worth exploring or not.

It seems that Tunee removed Suno integration a few months ago and now exclusively uses their own proprietary models.

"Farewell - The Soul of Tunee is Gone Without Suno"

https://forum.tunee.ai/t/farewell-the-s ... -suno/2273

Reading between the lines...

https://forum.tunee.ai/t/a-follow-up-fr ... ators/1929

My guess this has to do with legal issues over the Suno settlement and potentially different expectations of licensing agreements moving forward.