Sounds nice except the reverb which is horrible.. like playing in a concrete tube or something.ZioKiller wrote:my attempt at a violin solo with Synful:
http://www.soundfonts.it/store/paganini.mp3
You know what is it?
Synful Orchestra - wow!
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
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- KVRian
- 1297 posts since 17 Aug, 2003 from Italy
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- KVRer
- 11 posts since 7 Jul, 2004
Downloaded the Demo, sounds good so far but in FL(4) after routing the midi channel the instrument jumps back to the "flute" preset as soon as I play the pattern I made. Has anyone else experienced this??!
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- vvvvvvv
- 2595 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
Zio ... not bad 
I don't see how a sample set could have got the same nuances at all.
btw Rene ... has Synful turned your plans upside down?
You sound more impressed than I've heard you in a long time.
I don't see how a sample set could have got the same nuances at all.
btw Rene ... has Synful turned your plans upside down?
You sound more impressed than I've heard you in a long time.
Member 12, Studio One Pro 7, VPS Avenger, Kontakt 8, Spitfire, Sonible, Baby Audio, CableGuys. Recent best buy - EZ Drummer 3 with Bandmate
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- TopModernGeezer
- 2679 posts since 14 Mar, 2001 from Stuttgart, Germany
ditto my dear argentinian ..René wrote:The Beethoven mp3 is absolutely impressive. If that result can be really achieved with the synth, it's a bargain. No matter if it's realtime or not.
No library on earth can do those slurs with that freedom.
the beethoven demo is VERY impressive, me thinks. and the dude(s) or dudette(s) who did that know how to play and/or programm.
the first moments listening to the mp3 i reassured myself about the date we´re at, ´cause it would serve well for a april 1´s joke ..
that´s another start of software getting closer to the real thingie .. thanks for that!
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- KVRAF
- 2988 posts since 11 Apr, 2001
I sincerely am. I happen to be an orchestral-composer-wannabe, and the idea of replicating orchestral arrangements in a 'digital orchestra' has been my wet-most dream.btw Rene ... has Synful turned your plans upside down?
You sound more impressed than I've heard you in a long time.
For the few past years I've been watching every corner of the sample scene. I've also been collecting an obscene amount of sample libraries: I started with the 'standard', then I moved to the 'pro' and lately I'm in the 'custom' arena.
The sampling world has improved very slowly since the dog-barks-only Emulator, 20+ years ago. I was always expecting to see something fresh, if not in terms of results, in terms of ideas.
I don't know how far Eric's technology can be pushed, but I can't wait till some big-guns invest a few millons to do specific recordings to apply to Synful's synthesis model.
Regarding to Synful changing my plans in any way, nope. I have some other exciting ongoing thing, very unrelated, which you'll soon hear about.
-René
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Ok, I heard the Synful mp3s, got the demo and played about with it. Here's my thoughts:
PROS: The solo violin is excellent for fast sections - way more realistic and emotionally expressive than samples. This alone is a huge step forward and reason to consider buying the VSTi.
CONS:
1. The sustained notes sound a bit artificial.
2. The flutes and especially brass sound a bit thin, although again they work well for fast sections.
3. Not enough control over parameters.
4. The vibrato is a bit fast and too regular.
5. The portmento (gliss) sounds fantastic but is unpredictable in how much you get.
CONCLUSION:
For fast solo sections it's a stunning new instrument, and has an expressive quailty - more so than samples though it's still not exactly deeply emotional. Until it's improved it ought to be used *with* a sample library, not instead of. And now, how I would improve it:
SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT (If you're reading this, Synful guy!):
1. Assign the sustain pedal to flip between slower and faster vibrato, with a variable acceleration/deceleration speeds as it flips over (like you get with a rotary speaker pedal). Constant tapping could get a nice degree of variation.
2. Introduce a vibrato speed control, along with a randomisation function.
3. All the tonal variations should have a randomize % function (introducing a slight random drift of e.g. harmonics and pitch), so that e.g. several different double tracks of a violin would blend nicely into a section sound.
4. A stereo pan for each instrument would allow you to place it well and make it more realistic. Even better, a binaural 3D placement.
5. Introducing occasional 'accidental' noises such as bow squeaks and slightly shaking tail-offs would be nice.
6. Realistic tremelo strings would be nice too.
7. Have the option to assign volume control to the Mod Wheel for those of us without a Volume Pedal. There could be an option to map the Mod Wheel to BOTH volume and vibrato amount.
8. There should be a statistical control for increasing the amount of gliss (portmento) - ranging from the existing slightly unpredictable but natural approach to one more like traditional synth portmento where you get a gliss on every overlap of single notes (maybe this could be further helped by a solo mode).
9. Map the other controls to various continuous controllers, eg. aftertouch to harmonics, so that they could be varied live, or edited in the cubase controller lane.
Well that's all I can think of for now. Anyone got any other thoughts?
PROS: The solo violin is excellent for fast sections - way more realistic and emotionally expressive than samples. This alone is a huge step forward and reason to consider buying the VSTi.
CONS:
1. The sustained notes sound a bit artificial.
2. The flutes and especially brass sound a bit thin, although again they work well for fast sections.
3. Not enough control over parameters.
4. The vibrato is a bit fast and too regular.
5. The portmento (gliss) sounds fantastic but is unpredictable in how much you get.
CONCLUSION:
For fast solo sections it's a stunning new instrument, and has an expressive quailty - more so than samples though it's still not exactly deeply emotional. Until it's improved it ought to be used *with* a sample library, not instead of. And now, how I would improve it:
SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT (If you're reading this, Synful guy!):
1. Assign the sustain pedal to flip between slower and faster vibrato, with a variable acceleration/deceleration speeds as it flips over (like you get with a rotary speaker pedal). Constant tapping could get a nice degree of variation.
2. Introduce a vibrato speed control, along with a randomisation function.
3. All the tonal variations should have a randomize % function (introducing a slight random drift of e.g. harmonics and pitch), so that e.g. several different double tracks of a violin would blend nicely into a section sound.
4. A stereo pan for each instrument would allow you to place it well and make it more realistic. Even better, a binaural 3D placement.
5. Introducing occasional 'accidental' noises such as bow squeaks and slightly shaking tail-offs would be nice.
6. Realistic tremelo strings would be nice too.
7. Have the option to assign volume control to the Mod Wheel for those of us without a Volume Pedal. There could be an option to map the Mod Wheel to BOTH volume and vibrato amount.
8. There should be a statistical control for increasing the amount of gliss (portmento) - ranging from the existing slightly unpredictable but natural approach to one more like traditional synth portmento where you get a gliss on every overlap of single notes (maybe this could be further helped by a solo mode).
9. Map the other controls to various continuous controllers, eg. aftertouch to harmonics, so that they could be varied live, or edited in the cubase controller lane.
Well that's all I can think of for now. Anyone got any other thoughts?
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
I tried this out.......sounds synthetic as hell. I derive better sounds out of FM7. What is this crap? 450 bucks? Are you serious? No offense to the makers....but this is theifery at its best. There are a million and 1 free synths that can do the same things this does. Sound wise...you guys are getting caught up in the terminologies and things...but it still sounds like crap...not to mention the piss poor gui for a 450 dollar vsti...that seems far from done.
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- KVRist
- 321 posts since 26 Dec, 2002 from Alaska
This was posted at the NS forum and reposted here:
Here is another quick and dirty demo, this time featuring the Synful Clarinet which is allowed to shine over a GMish (from the lack of sequencing!) GPO Orchestra:
Synful Clarinet Solo from Spohr's Clarinet Concerto
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=421
Original midi file done by R. Bakels and hosted by www.classical archives.com
I am absolutely amazed. The original midi file is virtually completely quantized with a flat velocity profile. I only added a slight velocity variation throughout. Clearly, Synful does an impressive performance in exceedingly difficult fast passages. What amazing technology.
SAMPLE DEVELOPERS HAD BETTER JUMP ON THIS TECHNOLOGY OR BE LEFT BEHIND.
Please do not be too disparaging on the GPO background. I included it for two reasons, one to offer some contrast/variation from the solo clarinet but also to help hide the digital artifacts that Synful creates. Almost no effort was done to improve the midi file, except for some automaticish algorithmic ones described here http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=28578
A generic Haydn pulse (strong-weak-less weak-string) was applied throughout.
Other Synful (Syn...) and GPO demos at ybacuo.wusik.com
YBaCuO
Here is another quick and dirty demo, this time featuring the Synful Clarinet which is allowed to shine over a GMish (from the lack of sequencing!) GPO Orchestra:
Synful Clarinet Solo from Spohr's Clarinet Concerto
http://www.wusik.com/song.php?id=421
Original midi file done by R. Bakels and hosted by www.classical archives.com
I am absolutely amazed. The original midi file is virtually completely quantized with a flat velocity profile. I only added a slight velocity variation throughout. Clearly, Synful does an impressive performance in exceedingly difficult fast passages. What amazing technology.
SAMPLE DEVELOPERS HAD BETTER JUMP ON THIS TECHNOLOGY OR BE LEFT BEHIND.
Please do not be too disparaging on the GPO background. I included it for two reasons, one to offer some contrast/variation from the solo clarinet but also to help hide the digital artifacts that Synful creates. Almost no effort was done to improve the midi file, except for some automaticish algorithmic ones described here http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=28578
A generic Haydn pulse (strong-weak-less weak-string) was applied throughout.
Other Synful (Syn...) and GPO demos at ybacuo.wusik.com
YBaCuO
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- KVRAF
- 11373 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
... this is aMoog Foog wrote:I tried this out.......sounds synthetic as hell. I derive better sounds out of FM7. What is this crap? 450 bucks? Are you serious? No offense to the makers....but this is theifery at its best. There are a million and 1 free synths that can do the same things this does. Sound wise...you guys are getting caught up in the terminologies and things...but it still sounds like crap...not to mention the piss poor gui for a 450 dollar vsti...that seems far from done.
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
You should look deeper into it Moog Foog - yes if you just play it raw on the keyboard it sounds crap... but, put it in a sequence and use the '1 second delay' option which enables it to look ahead, put some good reverb on it, have some fast notes, add expression using the mod wheel for vibrato and put in volume curves in the sequence, and hey presto... the solo violins sound stunningly real.Moog Foog wrote:I tried this out.......sounds synthetic as hell. I derive better sounds out of FM7. What is this crap? 450 bucks? Are you serious? No offense to the makers....but this is theifery at its best. There are a million and 1 free synths that can do the same things this does. Sound wise...you guys are getting caught up in the terminologies and things...but it still sounds like crap...not to mention the piss poor gui for a 450 dollar vsti...that seems far from done.
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- KVRAF
- 2988 posts since 11 Apr, 2001
Pretty nice track YbaCuO. I love the mistuning on it, we should ask Eric to check the clarinet mouthpiece assembly just in case thoHere is another quick and dirty demo, this time featuring the Synful Clarinet which is allowed to shine over a GMish (from the lack of sequencing!) GPO Orchestra:
-René
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 23 Sep, 2003
Here's an Idea!! Just go to the bank, get a second mortgage on your house, and buy the Full Vienna Symphony Sample Package and Giga Studio Pro 3.0 and a Dedicated PC/Mac and an 88 weighted key controller. No More Worries. 
Just don't let the spouse know. Could be dangerous!
Score the next piece of music for a summer blockbuster hit (HANS ZIMMER ??), and shazzam!! Buy the spouse a brand new Bentley
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