Why don't you like rap/hiphop ?

[Wicker Man]

Is rap/hip-hop the type of music in those videos with lots of ladies with tight underwear and wobbly bottoms ?

If so, the quality of the wobbly bottoms far exceeds the flabby music.

[ermi]

Ok, I see that a lot of people who don't like rap also DON'T KNOW rap, and they have stereotypes about it.
It's OK, I don't mind, nor condemn that, since it happens to me as well, with some music genre that I don't know.
I'm not saying that if you knew it better you would like it, it's just an observation.

And I also see that people who like Beastie Boys usually don't listen to rap. It makes perfect sense to me.

And thanks, TVD, for those links to Wikipedia, since I noticed that the terms rap and hiphop are not very clear to all of us.


I see that as an example of what's good in rap nowadays you guys often mention underground artist. That's understandable, since I'm also often fed up by the bling bling, gangsta lyrics that are very common in the mainstream. Basically, in mainstream, a lot of times, is the IMAGE of the rapper, that's being sold.
However, I do find the same bling bling artists entertaining sometimes. Hell, even 50 Cent had 2 nice songs on the GRODT album.
I guess you can like that if you don't take them too seriously.
And underground artists can be so boring too. There must be like a million of songs with the scratched phrases in their hooks, or beats that imitate Primo's style.


Still, tho, in rap you can find REALLY A LOT of different styles, especially content-wise.

I challenge you to find a trash metal song with a romantic content.
Or a country song that says something intellectually interesting.

[soulkraka]

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[.jon]

or a country song that says something intellectually interesting

That's easy - Johnny Cash

On a side note, I find f**king Hostile very romantic

[advaya]

I challenge you to find a trash metal song with a romantic content.
Or a country song that says something intellectually interesting.

Alright mate... this is starting to get out of hand... why add fuel to the fire?

Most thrash (trash) metal artists aren't looking to swoon the ladies in the crowd with lyrics of love and devotion. Get a grip...

That's kinda like me saying, 'show me a hip hop track containing lyrics about bass fishing'...

[ermi]

I challenge you to find a trash metal song with a romantic content.
Or a country song that says something intellectually interesting.

Alright mate... this is starting to get out of hand... why add fuel to the fire?

Most thrash (trash) metal artists aren't looking to swoon the ladies in the crowd with lyrics of love and devotion. Get a grip...

Ok, I was being a bit provocative, maybe.

Because some were saying that rappers talk about the same sh't all the time. Well, that's just not true, and I'm very sure that some other musical genres are way more repetitive in their content. Much more.

That's kinda like me saying, 'show me a hip hop track containing lyrics about bass fishing...

I'm sure you can find some. At least talking about this in a funny/sarcastic way.

[.jon]

C'mon... many of the big names that are filed under "trash meetl" have made songs that are actually cheesy love songs. Megadeth, Metallica, Anthrax anyone?

[ermi]

pakana: I'm not following Megadeth and Anthrax that much...

But Metallica being trash metal? They maybe were once, maybe.
Btw, I liked their 80s albums a lot.

[wazun]

BONES, do remember that you haven't heard all hiphop in the world - probably not even a small fraction of it considering your comments.

So you'd lump Public Enemy in with all the current krap, would you? usually in these threads they are quoted as a shining example of everythign that hip-hop should be. I think the're krap.

besides, 5 sounds is one more than a standard rock trio has, haha.

Yes, and if the bass player didn't play anything and the guitarist played the same bland riff through an entire song without any variation in tone, it would still sound better than that song but that band wouldn't get very far. Anyway, a trio has 3 voices, making for a total of 6 instruments.

So Bones, you don't like Rap. It's totally understandable. I totally understand why people don't like rap. They have no way of relating to it. Same reason I don't like heavy metal or the kind of screaming and yelling music that you do. And I don't mean that to be offensive, but that's what it sounds like. A lot of screaming while somebody else happens to be playing some instrument. I'm certain that it makes total sense to you and your fans, but makes no sense to outsiders. But what I don't understand is why most of the people in this thread, including you, feel that you're qualified to judge rap music. The most I can say about the music you do is, I don't like it, but if your fans think that you're the greatest band in the world, then I have no reason to dispute it. Who am I to say it is or isn't? You guys should extend the same courtesy to other forms that you have no way of relating to and are not qualified to judge.

Good someone said that!

If you don't like then perhaps you aren't able to appreciate it and not because it's crap.
Many posts here said that the music is simple and repetitive. That's not a negative thing for me. Some people can be moved by a simple beat with a groove, others not. It's sometimes harder to keep it simple than to overload the beats with sounds. It's mainly about the rhythm and groove, but that depends on wether it grooves to you or not. The same with house or techno music. Many people can find anything in those genres, others can't live without it.
What you see on television is not the full spectrum of hiphop music, just a tiny tiny bit. As far as the sampling is concernd, it's always been that way. Before hiphop music came out on records, MCs were rapping over other peoples breakbeats looped with two turntables, since the early 70s. For someone it might be disguisting to hear a MCs rap over a part of his favorite Led Zepplin/ZZTop/Bob James/... song, I can understand that. On the other hand, for some people that is the only way to listen to those bands (even if they don't know it).

[daviencrow]

Just curious.

There's a Roman saying: De gustibus non est disputandum (or something ) , which means tastes (likings) are not to be discussed... or that thay cannot be discussed...

Let's ignore that saying for a moment and discuss. I understand that it's not always easy to do, but if you have any words to express something about rap music, do so.

I like some rap A LOT, but most of the rap, I DON'T like. Maybe I'll write the reasons later on.

I'm writing here in this forum, also because a lot of times I read and hear from non-rap musicians that they used to like rap back in the days or that they like the underground artist.
I don't understand why. IMHO I think that the quality only improved in these years... Maybe because they just turn on MTV and see "In the club" or some retarded song by Nelly...
There's A LOT of rap and most of it is not on MTV.

Please, take a listen to Jay-z's "You don't know" (produced by Just Blaze):
http://users.volja.net/neres/YouDontKnow.mp3
... and tell me what's not good about this song.

Also some other songs, like "Drop it like it's hot". What's wrong with that song?

I have a lot of other mainstream, new, non-underground rap songs I would like you to hear.
I like a lot of music genres, btw. (But rap is the one I listened to mostly, I think.) I think can recognize the quality of a good rock/jazz/dance/... song. It's just that I don't always get any particular feeling about it.

off topic: Are U2 supposed to be very good? I think they're pretty average, I can't explain why are they so famous. But I haven't heard most of their songs, honestly.

Like every other Genre in the world , there is Mainstream and then things that are Underground that most people don't get to see or hear. This gives most of us a stereotype and we see most things as Cliche.

I don't dislike Rap as a genre , but as with any genre for me to like it I have to relate to it somehow OR AT THE VERY LEAST respect the artistic quality. Unfortunate for most rappers they aren't very creative musically and they all talk about the same things (bitches , hoes , drugs , money , bling , booty , sex , dirty south this , west coat that , east coast this .. etc..)

THERE ARE HOWEVER plenty of other rappers out there that don't follow this cliche and honestly I wish some of them would get fronted more.

[daviencrow]

BONES, do remember that you haven't heard all hiphop in the world - probably not even a small fraction of it considering your comments.

So you'd lump Public Enemy in with all the current krap, would you? usually in these threads they are quoted as a shining example of everythign that hip-hop should be. I think the're krap.

besides, 5 sounds is one more than a standard rock trio has, haha.

Yes, and if the bass player didn't play anything and the guitarist played the same bland riff through an entire song without any variation in tone, it would still sound better than that song but that band wouldn't get very far. Anyway, a trio has 3 voices, making for a total of 6 instruments.

So Bones, you don't like Rap. It's totally understandable. I totally understand why people don't like rap. They have no way of relating to it. Same reason I don't like heavy metal or the kind of screaming and yelling music that you do. And I don't mean that to be offensive, but that's what it sounds like. A lot of screaming while somebody else happens to be playing some instrument. I'm certain that it makes total sense to you and your fans, but makes no sense to outsiders. But what I don't understand is why most of the people in this thread, including you, feel that you're qualified to judge rap music. The most I can say about the music you do is, I don't like it, but if your fans think that you're the greatest band in the world, then I have no reason to dispute it. Who am I to say it is or isn't? You guys should extend the same courtesy to other forms that you have no way of relating to and are not qualified to judge.

Good someone said that!

If you don't like then perhaps you aren't able to appreciate it and not because it's crap.
Many posts here said that the music is simple and repetitive. That's not a negative thing for me. Some people can be moved by a simple beat with a groove, others not. It's sometimes harder to keep it simple than to overload the beats with sounds. It's mainly about the rhythm and groove, but that depends on wether it grooves to you or not. The same with house or techno music. Many people can find anything in those genres, others can't live without it.
What you see on television is not the full spectrum of hiphop music, just a tiny tiny bit. As far as the sampling is concernd, it's always been that way. Before hiphop music came out on records, MCs were rapping over other peoples breakbeats looped with two turntables, since the early 70s. For someone it might be disguisting to hear a MCs rap over a part of his favorite Led Zepplin/ZZTop/Bob James/... song, I can understand that. On the other hand, for some people that is the only way to listen to those bands (even if they don't know it).

if you ever read a music psychology book , any of them , it says people that only distinguish hooks & beats are people with "tin ears" or no musical aptitude.

[daviencrow]

Ok, I see that a lot of people who don't like rap also DON'T KNOW rap, and they have stereotypes about it.
It's OK, I don't mind, nor condemn that, since it happens to me as well, with some music genre that I don't know.
I'm not saying that if you knew it better you would like it, it's just an observation.

And I also see that people who like Beastie Boys usually don't listen to rap. It makes perfect sense to me.

And thanks, TVD, for those links to Wikipedia, since I noticed that the terms rap and hiphop are not very clear to all of us.


I see that as an example of what's good in rap nowadays you guys often mention underground artist. That's understandable, since I'm also often fed up by the bling bling, gangsta lyrics that are very common in the mainstream. Basically, in mainstream, a lot of times, is the IMAGE of the rapper, that's being sold.
However, I do find the same bling bling artists entertaining sometimes. Hell, even 50 Cent had 2 nice songs on the GRODT album.
I guess you can like that if you don't take them too seriously.
And underground artists can be so boring too. There must be like a million of songs with the scratched phrases in their hooks, or beats that imitate Primo's style.


Still, tho, in rap you can find REALLY A LOT of different styles, especially content-wise.

I challenge you to find a trash metal song with a romantic content.
Or a country song that says something intellectually interesting.

There are plenty of Trash metal songs with Romantic Content in them you must of just never came across them and if you want something intellectually interesting in country music try listening to a few Johnny Cash songs.

[nuffink]

Or a country song that says something intellectually interesting.

That's just plain daft. You may not like the genre but there have been some stunningly literate songwriters working in it over the years.

[momus]

I like rap but just some of the MC's have that ability to write such sort of lyrics I like. They have to colser to the literature than music as such. Exaples Roots manuva, Clouddead, Common...

[insaneacyde]

rap has a far greater lyrical content than musical content. Almost all of it is based on loops (very cheesy porn ones at that) waitaminute... loops are usefull things, what rap music uses is just blatant ripping. there hasn't been an original 'musical' composition since RunDMC did that song with only a drum machine on raising hell. it's gotten so bad they've started ripping tracks from each other.
the rap i have been exposed to has all been about guns, drugs, f**king woman, beating woman, etc. except that song Mr Wendel. rap is self centered, always feels sorry for itself and expects everyone to feel sorry for it. it is made by motherf#$%kers who live in penthouses and wont give a street bum a dime, they never give anything back.
rap is responsible for eminem and thats just enough for eternal damnation.
i have an interest in most music except rap and opera - they both totally piss me off.

you know people used to freak out about Ozzy and all the devil dudes like Judas Priest but i dont think they ever taught there 5 year old kids how to execute someone, drink vodka and pack dope.

ps. U2 have a musical expression and emotion other than 'thinkin with your dick'