Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

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Back on topic nice try by the Props but beta feedback is poor, and when does Reason 5 start shipping?

Beta feedback is poor? Poor as in "there's not a lot of it" or "it's predominantly negative" or "it's hard getting feedback across"?

The feedback I've seen so far on the beta board surpasses all expectations, a lot of people are toppling over eachother gushing. I didn't see that coming; I expected feedback to range from "not too shabby" to "good", but never the kind of epiphanies and euphoria that some are expressing. On KVR on the other hand, feedback is always negative on everything that doesn't support VST/AU and doesn't have electronic musicians as its primary target demographic, so that was very much expected.

just seeing if i can be the 1st on page 101 seeing that i was in the 101st airborne ( air assault )

Sorry. But... welcome to room 101, where you have to face the worst thing in the world. For some, it's burial alive. For others, it's rats. For you, it's ________"

[headquest]

For you, it's ________"

<cough> Record.

Sorry, but you jumped into that

Seriously though, you have a point that non-VST hosts can get a rough ride here at KVR, and I would agree if you said that was unfair and unrespresentative. But as somebody who LOVES Reason, I still think Record is just poorly conceived. If the SSL mixer was integrated into the Rack I think it probably could have been a real winner, but with it the way it is there's one too many layers of complexity to make it a joy to use.

[headquest]

By the by, I think that Propellerhead realise themselves they have a dud on their hands. In the promo stuff they really over-emphasise their point that it is easy to navigate between the three windows using the F5 F6 and F7 keys. It's as if they think that by saying that enough times they will convince people that the ergonomics are good, even though so many programmes developed during Record's five year gestation have firmly proved that a one-window approach can be done really well. I don't believe that they genuinely think their 3 window approach is actually easier - they are inteligent guys who obviously know better

In the end I guess the hype will win and they will sell a truck-load of Record. I'm guessing in a few months their forum will be very full of unhappy customers making big feature requests though...

[christianmusicmaker]

Beta feedback is poor? Poor as in "there's not a lot of it" or "it's predominantly negative" or "it's hard getting feedback across"?

I was referring to KVR. This thread in particular...

The feedback I've seen so far on the beta board surpasses all expectations, a lot of people are toppling over eachother gushing. I didn't see that coming; I expected feedback to range from "not too shabby" to "good", but never the kind of epiphanies and euphoria that some are expressing. On KVR on the other hand, feedback is always negative on everything that doesn't support VST/AU and doesn't have electronic musicians as its primary target demographic, so that was very much expected.

I think most of those "gushing" as you put it, are Reason users but there is nothing wrong with that. That was also "very much expected". My point was regarding feedback here being poor nothing wrong with that either. Feedback was never going to be positve across every forum. But thats ok.

In the end I guess the hype will win and they will sell a truck-load of Record. I'm guessing in a few months their forum will be very full of unhappy customers making big feature requests though

Agreed.

@Happy Record beta testers...
Anyhoo more power to those happy with Record. I don't want to be the guy in Meffy's link earlier in this thread who will not go to bed because he thinks someone is wrong on the internet

[koolkeys]

Back on topic nice try by the Props but beta feedback is poor, and when does Reason 5 start shipping?

Beta feedback is poor? Poor as in "there's not a lot of it" or "it's predominantly negative" or "it's hard getting feedback across"?

The feedback I've seen so far on the beta board surpasses all expectations, a lot of people are toppling over eachother gushing. I didn't see that coming; I expected feedback to range from "not too shabby" to "good", but never the kind of epiphanies and euphoria that some are expressing. On KVR on the other hand, feedback is always negative on everything that doesn't support VST/AU and doesn't have electronic musicians as its primary target demographic, so that was very much expected.

Many KVR users love Reason. And KVR users aren't the only ones who want third party plugin support in it.

I take "gushing" feedback on beta forums with a grain of salt sometimes, especially when the beta is as open as this one. Many people who participate are already huge fans of the company, want free software or use of the software earlier than release, etc. Many people in public testing just don't know what real testing involves, and the feedback is often a mixed bag. Some people get excited about something new, others see the flashy interface and think "oohhhhh, this is the bomb!". Some people testing Record may just have not used any other modern DAW software very much lately and don't realize just how badly Record is laid out(IMO). And for some people, it really might just be the best thing in the world. Completely mixed bag.

Nothing wrong with praising an app during beta, and not all users are doing what I'm saying in this post. I think that for some people, Record is what they have been waiting for, despite it's messy ergnomics. But for the reasons stated above, particularly in more open testing, I take "gushing" praise very lightly.

Brent

[hibidy]

does it sound as good as cubase?

cubase is the warmest

[koalaboy]

does it sound as good as cubase?

cubase is the warmest

Haven't you heard about climate change ? Warm isn't good any more.

[hibidy]

does it sound as good as cubase?

cubase is the warmest

Haven't you heard about climate change ? Warm isn't good any more.

Shit! I'm always one step behind

[Overflow]

I'm guessing in a few months their forum will be very full of unhappy customers making big feature requests though...

...as with every app (or DAW) on the planet. This is human nature to blame DAW for their inability to make tunes

I remember days when I started to make music. It was 12 or even more years ago. I started with Cakewalk. And I made a lot of tracks based on midi and some Turtle Beach card with integrated Ensoniq (???) synth on it. And I didn't felt limited in terms of DAW features. And what happens nowdays? EVERY single daw is making music instedad of us (ok, almost), but ppl still whine. I agree, Record lacks some basic features, but they are't showstoppers.
Cluttered interface? Depends on. When I sat behind Record I immediately created song with send/inserted fx etc...For pp., which are new to Reason/Record, yes, maybe, but I imagine faces of those ppl who are first time are trying to drive Digital Performer for example .
Ok. Bottom line. Just spend more time to making music

o.

[hibidy]

Yeah butt..........

I think the reason some of the people are "searching" is because you get an idea.....cool......ready to go. Then for some reason, the soundcard isn't recognized Ok, fine, restart the SC and the app and we'll get 'er done... Now, after getting the project up (of course it was a template) you fight through the windows to get to the plug in you want to use. Then it hangs Now you wait and LUCKILY it's not a crash

So NOW you are ready to make some music. You need to edit that part though, it's not quite right. Now you run into a bug and have to remember a workaround Ok, so I've used the workaround and have a decent part. I got to copy the the part(s) before I go to the chorus, but the keyboard is "sticky" It takes me a few redo/undos to get back to where I needed to be.

Ok, now to get that cool vibe I'm looking for I need to automate a couple of things........ooops, found another bug But again I know a workaround Ok, I got that done.........

AND NOW I STILL ONLY HAVE A PART OR TWO DONE

The "go make music" theme is tired We are looking for things that will let us go from point A to point B without all the hassle, so that is why people are searching. It's not always about "just go make music"

[Overflow]

The "go make music" theme is tired We are looking for things that will let us go from point A to point B without all the hassle, so that is why people are searching. It's not always about "just go make music"

...as tired is theme "host X lacks this and that" I'm not against more or less objective criticism, but generally those 101 pages is jus't... hmm...time wasting? As my post by the way

[hibidy]

The "go make music" theme is tired We are looking for things that will let us go from point A to point B without all the hassle, so that is why people are searching. It's not always about "just go make music"

...as tired is theme "host X lacks this and that" I'm not against more or less objective criticism, but generally those 101 pages is jus't... hmm...time wasting? As my post by the way

Oh, I agree totally with that (that it's allot of pages with little info). But you can probably get what I'm saying.

[headquest]

Yeah butt..........

I think the reason some of the people are "searching" is because you get an idea.....cool......ready to go. Then for some reason, the soundcard isn't recognized Ok, fine, restart the SC and the app and we'll get 'er done... Now, after getting the project up (of course it was a template) you fight through the windows to get to the plug in you want to use. Then it hangs Now you wait and LUCKILY it's not a crash

So NOW you are ready to make some music. You need to edit that part though, it's not quite right. Now you run into a bug and have to remember a workaround Ok, so I've used the workaround and have a decent part. I got to copy the the part(s) before I go to the chorus, but the keyboard is "sticky" It takes me a few redo/undos to get back to where I needed to be.

Ok, now to get that cool vibe I'm looking for I need to automate a couple of things........ooops, found another bug But again I know a workaround Ok, I got that done.........

AND NOW I STILL ONLY HAVE A PART OR TWO DONE

The "go make music" theme is tired We are looking for things that will let us go from point A to point B without all the hassle, so that is why people are searching. It's not always about "just go make music"

Kudos for the excellent use of emoticons, dude

Oh, and I agree with you

[X-Soul]

It would also mean that you could still use those great MClass Mastering units post-mixer. With Record those units are unusable because the SSL is hardwired to the audio output (which is actually a whole lot LESS flexible than Reason of course). A strange decision, and I think it is the main cause of many of us finding the programme an ergonomic mess.

Well, just have tested Record and no, SSL is NOT hardwired to the audio output. No idea why you decided that. You can easily insert after it as much reason fx'es as you want.

[fceramic]

I use two fairly large screens and can tell you that Record is heaven!
Nothing cluttered and very straight forward interface. I especially like the navigation bar on the right and track overview at the bottom.