RapidComposer v4 beta feedback and discussion (locked)

[Boy Wonder]

Of all the software I'd ever used over the years, RapidComposer ranks right up there as being the most unstable, second only to Cubase SX from about 15/20 years ago. If I'm able to get at least five minutes out of it, even the latest incarnation, I call myself lucky as it crashes Cubase 12 all the time. Non stop. 100% guaranteed crashes. Unbelievable.

Update: I may have found a solution. Using the VST3 version of the plugin, RC shows 8 midi outs with 121 channels while the VST2 only shows one. I'm guessing the complexity of the VST3 destabilizes Cubase?

[lovemusic15]

Update: I may have found a solution. Using the VST3 version of the plugin, RC shows 8 midi outs with 121 channels while the VST2 only shows one. I'm guessing the complexity of the VST3 destabilizes Cubase?
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Hi Mate

Is that for Ableton ?

[Mykyndryd_]

WOW! Midi manipulator (mutator) has arrived!!!
Thanks Attila

[BluGenes]

for some strange reason beta 8 now crashes every time I start it.. just started doing that today, was fine before.

edit:
it was crashing on "error loading composition".. I fixed it by running the production version, which re-created the untitled composition. When I ran the beta, the crash stopped..

[lovemusic15]

Great that the manipulator mutator

Correct me if I'm wrong but we've gone back to the old algorithm when it comes to rhythms there's no Modern rhythms so basically you put in an irregular pattern as the original MIDI file but as soon as you hit any of the algorithms you lose that rhythm completely and it becomes no longer irregular modern pattern but one that just falls on the offbeat and or on beat

Really hope you can fix this so it works for the modern producer.

[musicdevelopments]

I am so sorry. I used the RC VST3 plug-in in Cubase 12 a lot and I could not find a crashing issue.
Is there a usage pattern that I should follow to have a high chance of crashing?
Maybe you can send me a Cubase project file that you use?
I'll do my best to fix this.

Thanks!
Attila

Of all the software I'd ever used over the years, RapidComposer ranks right up there as being the most unstable, second only to Cubase SX from about 15/20 years ago. If I'm able to get at least five minutes out of it, even the latest incarnation, I call myself lucky as it crashes Cubase 12 all the time. Non stop. 100% guaranteed crashes. Unbelievable.

Update: I may have found a solution. Using the VST3 version of the plugin, RC shows 8 midi outs with 121 channels while the VST2 only shows one. I'm guessing the complexity of the VST3 destabilizes Cubase?

[musicdevelopments]

RapidComposer v4.4b9 is available!

This update features the MIDI Mutator tab that I worked on in the last couple of weeks.
Feedback, criticism are welcome. New features may be added.
If you downloaded that before this announcement, it would be the best if you could download and install it again.

Instructions
You can work on polyphonic or monophonic MIDI files. Certain options are displayed only for polyphonic notes, others are displayed only for monophonic patterns.
There is a 'chords' track which is used for polyphonic notes.

The connection between the notes and chords are bidirectional: if you change the notes, the chords will be updated automatically. But you can change the chords, so the notes will be updated.

Bug reporting
If something does not work as expected, or crashes, please make a snapshot by clicking on the 'heart' button, then locate the .rcMMUT file in Documents/RapidComposerV4/MIDIMutator and send it to me. The file contains all the notes and settings, so I'll be able to reproduce what you found.

Thanks for your patience!
Attila

Edit: Instructions added

[BluGenes]

If you downloaded that before this announcement, it would be the best if you could download and install it again.

You should add a re-download option, because to do a re-download it means installing a previous version to trigger the "Update available".

[lovemusic15]

Feedback, criticism are welcome. New features may be added.


One feature this device needs which will solve all the other things that it doesn't do.

Is for it to just analyse the imported MIDI and save all the parameters which will give you the option to regenerate the pattern and get alternative results based on the the parameters of the imported MIDI along with the option that analyses the rhythm and then let's you go into the rhythm generator and generate new rhythms using the same parameters, so basically if there's is 8 notes and 2 rests in between then it will keep regenerating rhythms based around that.

You pretty much had a similar feature with midi learn apart from it didn't always analyse the exact notes of the imported notes like this new device does.


Like many others here been using RC for years but it would be great if it could just be simplified and do what you want it to do without taking hours trying to learn each button.

The rhythm algorithms don't work for the modern day producer doing modern rhythms.

So having something like the midi learn where it analyses what you import at least people can crack on and get similar results to the imported phrase without too much head scratching.

Please import this as soon as possible it's been such a long wait for this.

[Mykyndryd_]

Been playing with the MIDI Mutator today and agree with what Dan says regarding the "Midi Learn" capability.

I've had some reasonable results so far but understand it is a "Work in progress" and thank Attila for this early sneak preview of what will come.

I'd like to be able to take a phrase from the composition screen and edit the phrase in the Mutator and then put it back into the composition screen. At the moment it looks like you can only drag external midi files into the Mutator (great name by the way) and the only way to get the result into the composition page is to copy to clipboard and then paste. I'td be good if the chords / tempo etc were carried back too.

It's definitely getting there and shows a lot of promise. Thanks again Attila.

Cheers. Mike.

[lulukom]

Yes, I agree with the previous posts.. I think that saving the results of successful midi file analyzes (as a preset, I think) will make it possible to work in the program, as it were, with your own playing style. Of course, these are only first impressions.. I think that a direct connection of the Mutator with the track in the Composition is probably needed. It's also not clear how to quickly assign sound to the Mutator and change the sound in Octaves (octave transposition is needed). I would also like to use the Phrase Options for the Mutator. Well, this is the impression of using it in 10 minutes)) To be continued!

[musicdevelopments]

Thanks for the feedback! I am working on your suggestions.
I'll add a notes+rests based rhythm generator and direct editing of any phrase in the composition.
Probably 'modern irregular rhythm' will be added too, because that produces the best modern patterns.
I'll think about analysis.

The name was suggested by tonedef71, thanks for that!
I am working on this all the time, I'll post an update in a few days.

Thanks!
Attila

[lovemusic15]

Iv made a video to point out the two main features that this needs

When it comes to midi variation you just want to be able to get the results similar to what you put in but with the mutated you should be able to regenerate patterns based on the imported MIDI.

It does a great job when you drop a midi file into it and you've already got midi learn as a feature so it's shouldn't be hard for it to analyze the parameters and then regenerate phrases using just those

Rhythm is the key to really making any music my solution is a simple one and very effective.

It's all about analyzing the note lengths and the rest between the imported midi and then only regenerating new phrases using just those parameters



We've waited so long for this please don't forget about the modern day producer please add this feature


before anybody says that the midi learn already does this feature it really doesn't it doesn't work with chords and it's not the best when it comes to analyzing note positions.

[lovemusic15]

Thanks for the feedback! I am working on your suggestions.




Iv made a video to point out the two main features that this needs

[lovemusic15]

Yes, I agree with the previous posts.. I think that saving the results of successful midi file analyzes (as a preset, I think) will make it possible to work in the program, as it were, with your own playing style. Of course, these are only first impressions.. I think that a direct connection of the Mutator with the track in the Composition is probably needed. It's also not clear how to quickly assign sound to the Mutator and change the sound in Octaves (octave transposition is needed). I would also like to use the Phrase Options for the Mutator. Well, this is the impression of using it in 10 minutes)) To be continued!

Thanks Mate

There Mutator should give us back what we put in to it, file analyzes is the key to all of this