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[dave dove]

Wagtunes wrote:

dave dove wrote:
try again....

does anyone know if it is possible to control the range to the target when assigning macro controls
so that if i want to control more than one target they don't both go from 0-100 for example
i can't find it in the manual
and for such a generally elegant piece of kit
seems an oversight

dave



If you mean like controlling filter cutoff from one range to another with the mod wheel, as an example, you simply set the initial value for the filter. Assign the mod wheel as a modulation source. Set the amount of that source using the slider and then, when you actually move the mod wheel, the cutoff will never go below the minimum value that you set when positioning the cutoff dial.

That's all there is to it.

fraid not
i want to control both, say, filter cutoff and resonance with a macro control
the macro controls on the info view
but i don't seem to be able to set independent ranges
or actually any range at all
so using the macro from 0-100
can only move both from 0-100
which is not very useful

like i say
i may be being thick but i can't figure it out...

dave

[Sampleconstruct]

Wagtunes wrote:

dave dove wrote:
try again....

does anyone know if it is possible to control the range to the target when assigning macro controls
so that if i want to control more than one target they don't both go from 0-100 for example
i can't find it in the manual
and for such a generally elegant piece of kit
seems an oversight

dave



If you mean like controlling filter cutoff from one range to another with the mod wheel, as an example, you simply set the initial value for the filter. Assign the mod wheel as a modulation source. Set the amount of that source using the slider and then, when you actually move the mod wheel, the cutoff will never go below the minimum value that you set when positioning the cutoff dial.

That's all there is to it.

fraid not
i want to control both, say, filter cutoff and resonance with a macro control
the macro controls on the info view
but i don't seem to be able to set independent ranges
or actually any range at all
so using the macro from 0-100
can only move both from 0-100
which is not very useful

like i say
i may be being thick but i can't figure it out...

dave

I made a video for you some pages back, you seem to have missed it, set the modulation amount for each assignment either at the bottom of the GUI or via right click->Edit Modulation.

[dave dove]

thanks Simon

i do miss a lot of things... ;/

dave

[mdsp]

I have one small issue, when I press a note, it immediately creates a sound, but it shouldn't since when I call playNote I tell it to use 0 volume

works fine here, with the following script that waits 1s before turning the gain on:

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function onNote(e)
	local id = playNote(e.note, e.velocity ,-1,nil,ch,nil,0)
	wait(1000)
	changeVolume(id, 1)
end

BTW you probably should also have a look at the fade(), fadein(), fadeout() functions.

another question.. which actually I asked before... how can i use

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function sendVoiceModulation	(voiceId,id,targetValue,rampTime )	

We've quickly hinted about it in previous messages but it's not officially available in the engine yet. The idea is to have scriptable polyphonic modulation sources that you can explicitly connect in your patch.

[mdsp]

Is it impossible to create an "enthusiast" sub forum? Like the "Unofficial Falcon Fan Club" or something? My main point is that I don't think it is in UVI's interest to maintain and host such a forum. But it's obviously enough in their interest (or otristan's, if he has gone rogue ) to have some degree of presence here on KVR. That would only increase if we turned the Falcon love up from a thread to a full forum -- they could come and look at FRs and even comment if they care to without having to take on the additional responsibilities of presenting an official forum on KVR.

And if they stopped coming around, we could spam them with the full FR threads we've pushed to 100s of pages

Sounds good, since our daily job is to develop the product and not technical support, we definitely can't assume an official presence here. Even with an unofficial thread like this one, there's a lot of overlap with our support channel. Interleaving messages on more than 100 pages doesn't really help we can only skim the surface.

However there's a lot of interesting feedback here that we don't get from our official support, and it also gives us the opportunity to explain things and give first hand under the hood tips that would be hard to put in either a FAQ or the manual.

[thetechnobear]

hmm, odd will have a play later...

btw, when you do a wait() does this just pause this one script processor from processing for N ms? (i.e. not all)
i.e. so I will not get any other callbacks in that processor, and will the events that happen whilst waiting be queued and posted after the wait is completed?

fade functions... yeah, but I don't want to fade over a duration, I simply want a small smoothing function between values (which changeVolume has, the values are going to be coming in at much less that 1ms intervals

sendVoiceModulaton, awesome... I read you were planning it, but didn't realise you meant this was the function that was going to implement it.... looking forward to this a lot !

btw: performance seems absolutely fine I tried a few patches with the script in place and they didn't tax the cpu too much, I'll take a look at some point to see what % it is adding but the initial feeling is not very much at all


Note: Forum... i think the main advantage is users can start sharing information... e.g. this discussion we are having re scripting, I think can be useful to others. and of course in a forum it can be found by search engines etc in the future. (we can also use a forum as a way to share scripts etc)

[otristan]

-may we hope for an optimized CPU behaviour or do you persist on your Argument "good Sound Quality Needs CPU power"...which does not really help. do you intend to work further on that Point?

IRCAM actually works on this and honestly this is already pretty super optimized.
Compare this with other time stretch / pitch shift on the market and you will see why those are so great.

- will there be a library update with a bigger Content?

We will probably add some stuff over the time, but I cannot assure you this.

[otristan]

I definitely agree with Tom about the "new world" for UVI. However, I also completely understand otristan's / UVI's position. I think it would be far better for us fans to setup an unofficial forum than for UVI to create one.

I absolutely agree that Tom's thoughtful response was very well stated. But the question remains, if not KVR, then where do we log feature requests where they will be seen and (hopefully) evaluated by the UVI engineers? There have been several compelling requests noted in the thread, but it's up to (at the moment) 102 pages. It's almost a certainty that they will be lost in all the dialog.

We take notes

[ThomasHelzle]

However there's a lot of interesting feedback here that we don't get from our official support, and it also gives us the opportunity to explain things and give first hand under the hood tips that would be hard to put in either a FAQ or the manual.

Exactly - having a conversation with users is different from FAQs and tech support etc. and it can help both sides a lot. I learned things from you guys and some of the other users here already that I couldn't get anywhere else.

But I understand the problems too.
It can be a lot of work to keep a forum shipshape - if you don't care for your garden, it may go wild.
With the good, you also get all the lost souls of the internet...

Still, so far nobody had a better idea than forums for this kind of conversations and one long thread isn't exactly future proof either...

Cheers,

Tom

[mdsp]

btw, when you do a wait() does this just pause this one script processor from processing for N ms? (i.e. not all)
i.e. so I will not get any other callbacks in that processor, and will the events that happen whilst waiting be queued and posted after the wait is completed?

No, each event callback is executed in its own micro-thread. They are virtually executed in parallel in an interleaved sample-accurate time-sliced way. All local variables are local to this callback and saved on the thread's stack so there's no risk of local variables being being overwritten by another subsequent callback. If you don't use local variables though, then they are global to all callbacks hence no more polyphonic, that's useful for shared state but can easily lead to problems if you're not careful about the difference between local and global variables.

fade functions... yeah, but I don't want to fade over a duration, I simply want a small smoothing function between values (which changeVolume has, the values are going to be coming in at much less that 1ms intervals

Fade duration can be 0 if necessary, that way you have explicit control on the ramping time. It allows to efficiently simulate scripted Breakpoint functions by just sending control instructions when necessary instead of a continuous stream of events. I mention it because it could be useful to other people.

[ceasless]

Still, so far nobody had a better idea than forums for this kind of conversations and one long thread isn't exactly future proof either...

Cheers,

Tom

Tom, do you (or anyone else) know if we can set up our own sub forum? It's really not clear to me. Unless KVR forbids it for some reason, there are no reasons we cannot start a forum today. Even if KVR does forbid it (whack), there is still no reason we cannot start a forum today -- but it would be a real shame to have to host it on another location.

We do not need UVI's permission to start a forum on their product, any more than we need them to do it for us. I think it's a lot better that we do this on our own and leave them to develop this product instead.

[rustman]

You'll need a mod to keep an eye on it. Just sayin'

[ceasless]

You'll need a mod to keep an eye on it. Just sayin'

Which is exactly why I would avoid an official forum like the plague, if I were in UVI's shoes.

[rustman]

On an unrelated note: I've just discovered the silence level adjustment in the "Beauty is Simple" 1 and 2 factory pads. I had longed for a button of silence for years.

[ThomasHelzle]

Still, so far nobody had a better idea than forums for this kind of conversations and one long thread isn't exactly future proof either...

Cheers,

Tom

Tom, do you (or anyone else) know if we can set up our own sub forum? It's really not clear to me. Unless KVR forbids it for some reason, there are no reasons we cannot start a forum today. Even if KVR does forbid it (whack), there is still no reason we cannot start a forum today -- but it would be a real shame to have to host it on another location.

We do not need UVI's permission to start a forum on their product, any more than we need them to do it for us. I think it's a lot better that we do this on our own and leave them to develop this product instead.

Although I worked for Bitwig for a while and part of it was being a forum moderator here, I didn't set up the forum itself and so do not know the rules. But since I don't know any non-company sub-forums here on KVR I doubt it is possible/makes sense. UVI would at least have to set it up.

Having an UVI/Falcon forum here that is not official could be problematic if all others are, since you would have to explain it very clearly and as otristan said, nobody ever reads stickies
And if UVI does not commit at least a certain energy to it, I'm not sure it would work.
People need to see at least some amount of engagement from the devs every now and then, otherwise some develop funny notions of abandonment syndrome rather quickly.

Setting up an external forum on somebodies webserver is probably possible, but usually ends in just a handful of users and little interest if the forum maintainer isn't very active and providing interesting content on his own. Several people tried with Bitwig and AFAIK non of it really came to fruition after an initial energy surge.
KVR, in all it's messyness, is where the music plays, so to say

I fully understand the reluctance of UVI actually, with the good comes a lot of bad as we all know, but I still think that in the long run not having a community around a product like Falcon is worse.

Cheers,

Tom