KVR Audio

X-Soul · Post by **X-Soul** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:33 am

FaX wrote:Well considering Reason 4 in Record and Record itself is a Mulitcore App I think testing it on a P4 1.5Ghz with 512mb of Ram seems like a pretty pointless exercise really.

Yeah, it will be faster on multicore than Reason 4, pretty much the same on my Core 2 Duo tho. And its more exact for singlecore processors.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:43 am

It wasn't pointless, because it gives a valid comparisson between the two

Regarding the stability of using VSTs, I think you can apply the argument either way. Because I have always relied on Reason as an instrument rack, plus the instruments that come with my hosts, I've not bought VSTs generally, but I did buy Pianoteq 3, which is superb.... Pianoteq 3 runs without a hitch in Cubase 5, Live 7, Sibelius 5, Audition 3 and Reaper 3. So would it make Record or Reason unstable if they supported it? Seems to me it probably would make them unstable yes... - if Propellerhead aren't such good programmers as Steinberg, Ableton, Sibelius, Cockos or <gulp> Adobe. Fact is, I'm sure they are just as good. So its a moot point.

Either way, I've always been in favour of keeping Reason closed, because I love it the way it is. I think it is perfectly logical to use its own synths, samplers and effects only for electronic music production, rather like a glorious hardware workstation. BUT... I don't think the closed environment works so well for an audio recording application. The needs of a DAW are different from the needs of Reason. The only way it would be suitable is if Record had all the tools necessary to get the job done (as they claim)... but it just doesn't.

Reason also includes good MIDI editing IMHO. Record does not include good (erm, any!) audio editing. That's a very big difference, and shows how the concept - at least for now - breaks down.

Also regarding outboard gear - synths and effects - it would have made no sense IMHO to have access to them within Reason. So no need for MIDI out, etc. But for an audio recording programme aimed at "musicians" it makes every sense to include MIDI output and use of outboard gear. Nor do I see why that would compromise precious stability. Is my Yamaha workstation really going to crash mu computer...? I don't think so.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:26 am

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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:49 am

ttoz wrote:well, OMG. I finally have put the open beta through a thrashing. I just can't get over what an ergonomic cluttered nightmare this is..

I've been beta testing since the beginning. I like the way it sounds, I like the idea, but I hate the lousy ergonomics (I'm using a 1900x1200 24" screen and it's still a bloody pain to use) and I hate the glaring omissions in audio editing. Yeah I know "it's not supposed to blahblahblah" bollocks to that.

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:50 am

My one question before i get it as soon as it comes out, is you can route audio to Reason FX?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:57 am

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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:02 am

nix808 wrote:My one question before i get it as soon as it comes out, is you can route audio to Reason FX?

Yes.

fceramic · Post by **fceramic** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:16 am

ttoz wrote:well all the reason fx are included, bar the instruments.. but there seems to be some nice sounds even in the beta download, combinator patches (1gb download)

I'm fine with this even on my Laptop. You can customize the mixer if you feel its too big and use the right navigation window to move around.
Not sure why you're limited to two racks though.

Live8 is of course the most ergonomic but it still got some annoying issues especially during arrangement where Logic is definitely the winner.

I think every sequencer got it's issues, but I can't really see where Record fails so terribly. I make music in no time with that program and the F5, F6, F7, F8 works fine.

X-Soul · Post by **X-Soul** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:43 pm

well, OMG. I finally have put the open beta through a thrashing. I just can't get over what an ergonomic cluttered nightmare this is.

Have you tried to detach rack and mixer to separate windows? It helps a lot. Imo its very handy with separated windows.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:09 pm

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blank/diod · Post by **blank/diod** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:22 am

ttoz wrote:i am still trying to work out how to import an audio file since drag and drop didn't work

Well, you could always try "Import Audio File". It's right there on the File menu, where file import is always located, regardless of software vendor or platform. What's there to "work out"?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:55 am

blank/diod wrote:
ttoz wrote:i am still trying to work out how to import an audio file since drag and drop didn't work
Well, you could always try "Import Audio File". It's right there on the File menu, where file import is always located, regardless of software vendor or platform. What's there to "work out"?

Maybe he was initially confused because drag and drop didn't work, which is also a standard feature of other music software, regardless of vendor or platform.

[Either way, no need to be patronising...]

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:02 am

blank/diod wrote:
ttoz wrote:i am still trying to work out how to import an audio file since drag and drop didn't work
Well, you could always try "Import Audio File". It's right there on the File menu, where file import is always located... What's to "work out"

Indeed, the word "file" itself is just too ambiguous, don't y'think???

I mean, f'real... "file" could mean anything.

BUT "drag-n-drop" IS "standard" ALSO.

blank/diod · Post by **blank/diod** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:18 am

headquest wrote:
blank/diod wrote:
ttoz wrote:i am still trying to work out how to import an audio file since drag and drop didn't work
Well, you could always try "Import Audio File". It's right there on the File menu, where file import is always located, regardless of software vendor or platform. What's there to "work out"?
Maybe he was initially confused because drag and drop didn't work, which is also a standard feature of other music software, regardless of vendor or platform.

[Either way, no need to be patronising...]

Patronising!? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, if you want to trash a product then fine. But you have to draw the line somewhere. If you haven't managed to do something really basic like locate file import in its standard location on the File menu where it *always* is, the application isn't to blame. I work in many apps and some support drag'n'drop, some don't, some have broken support for it. Either way they all have one option that always works, which is to import via the file menu. Who doesn't know this? Seriously? I can see why some people get confused when they step into a Saab for the first time, because the ignition is between the seats rather than to the right of the steering wheel. It's very unorthodox. But we're not talking about some obscure, non-standard location in this case, we're talking about a standard that's been around for some 25 years, it's as old as the desktop paradigm.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:35 am

But seriously - ttoz is a very experienced user of a whole range of music software. He's not a fool or a newb...

I think that basically he was assuming that Record is indeed a professional grade product (I think the phrase you used before) and was thus suprised that drag and drop didn't work as it does in professional music software. He expressed that suprise the way he did (after just 20 minutes of using the programme, if you check the context you took the quote out of) ... I just think you read into that some idea that he doesn't know what he is doing, which was a false assumption on your part.

But hey... peace!

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