Repro-1 (out now)

[Teksonik]

It's a lot easier on CPU to make a Minimoog emulation sound good than a Pro-One emulation

Why is that ?

Because Minimoog does NOT have 12 octaves of pitch/cutoff modulation range.

I was asking the guy who writes the code.

Anyway I don't think comparing two similar synths in INIT mode with no modulation or FX is that unfair of a test. Certainly not a completely scientific test but something to give you an idea how the two perform.

For the record I like Repro 1 and it has a significant character difference in from The Legend to justify happily owning both........

[beely]

I was asking the guy who writes the code.

Well he's already talked about this, so other people can just fill people in who haven't been following the thread so Urs can actually go *write* code instead of repeatedly answering the same questions...

[EvilDragon]

I wasn't quoting (as in using forum tags), but it's exactly what Urs said, yeah.

[Numanoid]

I was asking the guy who writes the code.

I can't imagine urs writing all the code, ain't u-he a company with several techs working in a team ?

I thought urs designed it, and the other guys implement the actual programming

[Teksonik]

Ok back to the subject of the Beta........

Here is four instances of Repro 1 with the default patch, no audio processed or notes playing. Yes this system is low spec'd but other than Internet and E-Mail I also use it for private beta testing to see how plugins will perform on a lower spec'd system. The numbers shown below will be much lower on a proper spec'd studio system. I know Urs said some performance tweaks are planned so we can use this as a base number to gauge the results of any further tweaks. I'll be happy to run the same test on any future versions of Repro 1. I don't run Public Betas on my Studio System.

[pdxindy]

It's a lot easier on CPU to make a Minimoog emulation sound good than a Pro-One emulation

Why is that ?

My tests were done with Jaws disabled. Enabling it raises the idle CPU from 10% to 16% (again on this old internet computer).

(besides all the negativity about asking an obvious question...) Not only is the range wide, but Osc B can audio rate modulate itself as well as Osc A... It takes some grunt to not have that fall apart. And RePro-1 handles that without any harsh edge... very impressive

[Ah_Dziz]

I don't know what the hell is going on here at the moment, but.... This thing is amazing if what you want is to make pro 1 sounds. It and the RadioShack mood ripoff were two of the first synths I ever put my hands on and tons of the music that inspired me to get into making music was made with mostly pro 1. This thing Behaves amazingly close to the real deal and that is damn impressive from an emulation standpoint.
The pro 1 is a pretty unique synth and is capable of really smooth and really bizarre/ aggressive sounds which repro 1 also handles with a very reasonable amount of CPU usage and an amazing quality of sound. This is something I'll probably grab instead of diva to give me some actual analog flavor. Diva is a great sounding subtractive synth, but the concept is just not something I need for my music. The oddness this can produce for about the same CPU cost is something I will be sampling and using throughout my work and it's the closest I'm interested in coming to buying an analog synth anytime soon. It's fun to play and fun to program and will do unexpected things unlike pretty much every other VA on the market.

The effects are tits too.

[ftech]

That RadioShack Moog 'ripoff' was actually made by Moog (Realistic/Moog MG-1) and is pretty much a Rogue without the performance wheels. I still have mine.
I wish that I did own a Pro 1 back in the day....I would go into town on a Saturday morning and look longingly at the synths at the music shop, and wonder how I could afford one of those Sequential Circuits mono synths!

If RePro-1 is as close as I can get now, then I'm more than happy

[Urs]

I don't know what the hell is going on here at the moment, but....

Me neither

As for the Minimoog comment - the modulation ranges and capabilities are much larger on a Pro-One. It does audio rate PWM, FM, Sync and FilterFM at the same time, and - as EvilDragon already said - over an extreme 12 octave range. It's nuts. The oscillators need to be oversampled like there is no tomorrow.

Furthermore the filter is a very different architecture. I guess everything has been said about the Moog Ladder filter. But there isn't a single paper about the CEM 3320 out there, just a spec sheet and a patent, maybe a blog entry somewhere. It works completely differently from anything I've seen, and that's what makes that sound. It's also currently the most demanding algorithm in Repro, and I have high hopes that this is gonna change.

[Urs]

Also, no worries, I can monitor two threads

[Teksonik]

As for the Minimoog comment - the modulation ranges and capabilities are much larger on a Pro-One.

Thanks, I didn't mean to start such a storm by asking the question. I was simply curious and wanted to hear from the expert (that would be you). Comparing Repro 1 and The Legend CPU might not be fair from a technical standpoint but they do occupy the same niche in the market.....mono synths emulating hardware with some extras albeit different hardware. So it's not inconceivable that someone might demo both if they are looking for such a synth to add to their arsenal. As you said there are some tweaks planned for Repro 1 so the numbers will no doubt change. I never said Repro uses too much CPU but I am a bit concerned about the Idle CPU with INIT patch test. I'm more than happy to test any future versions and report the numbers.

[malachy5]

I don't know what the hell is going on here at the moment, but....

Me neither

As for the Minimoog comment - the modulation ranges and capabilities are much larger on a Pro-One. It does audio rate PWM, FM, Sync and FilterFM at the same time, and - as EvilDragon already said - over an extreme 12 octave range. It's nuts. The oscillators need to be oversampled like there is no tomorrow.

The RePro is awesome, really great filter. I spent an hour playing the Pro II Kontakt instrument from Wave Alchemy - that's a really good Pro 1 sample library, then onto the RePro and it has that same unique sound. There is a certain fizz and buzz that makes this a special synth. The effects are also stunning, I love Lyrebird, what a special delay that is, magic! Drench is near perfect and the transient control on the conditioner is ace, this will be great for some snappy percussion. The only thing I could wish for is an FX version so I could use that filter on other sources, that would be great!

I think the world is pretty well covered with Minimoog emulations, sample libraries, recreations, reinterpretations and even the real thing if that's what people want so thanks for taking the time and effort to recreate this little marvel!

[wagtunes]

Well, it's very rare that I get excited over a synth these days unless it's one of those "do it all in a box" things but this thing is amazing, monophony and all. There is a dirt and grit to this synth that I've yet to hear in any synth I own, including all my U-he synths. I am truly impressed. And the intro price makes this a no brainer.

I do have to admit that the modulation section has me totally befuddled (I can't even get a simple mod wheel open filter patch without it doing other things at the same time) but I'll read the manual and figure it out. The tweak section is super cool and the FX are really great.

Honestly, I didn't expect to feel this way when the Repro Alpha didn't interest me in the least but what they did with the full blown synth is truly amazing. No, I won't be making any lush pads with this thing but so what? If I want, I can always design a pad like sound and just stack several instances of these together to make a chord, as long as my CPU can handle it.

Anyway, great job!

Surprised doesn't even begin to describe my reaction.

[Robmobius]

Unreal work on this behemoth... I can't stop playing with it.

My favorite synth so far...

[izonin]

The "Bypass FX" button is a stroke of genius. Thanks, Urs!