flstudio (whats missing for you?)

[tony tony chopper]

'more zoom' shouldn't be obvious. I don't think that anyone would notice the difference between something triggered at higher than 1/96 quarter accuracy.

But instead of arguing with those few who think they can, we provide settings up to 768PPQ. The same way, 192khz is clearly bullshit, but for those few who believe in it, it's supported.

So it shouldn't be obvious, because we advise users not to mess with PPQs. And for the rest, which is a minority, it's explained in the manual.

[Carbonboy]

-implementation; the major problem is that they are in fact sampler channels instead of true audio clips This makes it feel more like a trigger sequencer and less like an arrangement view.
-I'd like to be able to see/edit the .wav that is streamed form disk.
-I don't like how the clips are tied to a certain instrument (Sampler Channels). I would prefer to move a clip to a track that has it's own effects/settings, so that the same sound can be played through different effects depending what track it is on.
-Cannot put clips of different audio samples in the same track. This means no auto cross-fades, no visual over-layering, no ripple fades, and no inserts form other sounds.
-I don't like the way I delete clips accidentally by clicking on them when I think I am going to move them or open a menu.
-I can't remember, can you overlay automation on top of an audio clip? If so, bravo! If not I'd like that too.

Most of your issues are conceptual/semantic rather than real...which means it's hard to argue with you, however...

- implementation - This is all in your mind, there's not much gol can do about that. The fact is the audio-clip is there in the play-list as a operable/movable/slicable/stretchable object. Seems like an 'audio clip' to me.

- Effects/Tracks - You make several strange arguments, the fact is you can open the channel settings and move the FX track LCD number and there you have it, the audio is now on a new Mixer FX track. Very straight-forward.

- Deleting - This can happen...but Ctrl+Z brings it back. Have you discovered the undo-history in the browser? That can also help.

- I can't remember - Yes you can stack audio/auto clips, there's also a switch to the left to change focus from automation to audio clips etc.

Carb.

[Carbonboy]

But instead of arguing with those few who think they can, we provide settings up to 768PPQ. The same way, 192khz is clearly bullshit, but for those few who believe in it, it's supported.

Now you have done it...someone is going to claim they need 10,000 PPQ and FL only has 768...how unprofessional

Carb.

[soma]

carbonboy-
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just want to point out why many users find the audio clips in FL difficult.
I attribute it to a, yes, implemtaion philosophy.

[birrbits]

Just to reiterate carbonboy's comments...

Things missing for me:
5) Audio clips in FL are fkucing AWEFUL.

This is pretty vague hoffy, what is awful? the sound, the implementation, loop support?
Are you just here to bash the product, or are you actually looking for improvments?

Apology in advance for being so terse:

-implementation; the major problem is that they are in fact sampler channels instead of true audio clips This makes it feel more like a trigger sequencer and less like an arrangement view.

ok, I agree but...

-I'd like to be able to see/edit the .wav that is streamed form disk.

um, you can, using fl's editor or your personal fav

-I don't like how the clips are tied to a certain instrument (Sampler Channels). I would prefer to move a clip to a track that has it's own effects/settings, so that the same sound can be played through different effects depending what track it is on.

umm you can, since you can easily assign the output of any instrument to any effects channel or even to the same channel (group)

-Cannot put clips of different audio samples in the same track. This means no auto cross-fades, no visual over-layering, no ripple fades, and no inserts form other sounds.

umm yes, you can, only thing i'm not sure about is the inserts.

-I don't like the way I delete clips accidentally by clicking on them when I think I am going to move them or open a menu.

dont think i've experienced that.

-I can't remember, can you overlay automation on top of an audio clip? If so, bravo! If not I'd like that too.

yes you can overlay automation.

[fabi]

Just to reiterate carbonboy's comments...

-I'd like to be able to see/edit the .wav that is streamed form disk.

um, you can, using fl's editor or your personal fav

-I don't like how the clips are tied to a certain instrument (Sampler Channels). I would prefer to move a clip to a track that has it's own effects/settings, so that the same sound can be played through different effects depending what track it is on.

umm you can, since you can easily assign the output of any instrument to any effects channel or even to the same channel (group)

well, using fl's editor (or your personal fav) does not answer the question at all. face it - fl doesn't do it...

and, umm, you can't have one audio track go to different FX - you specify ONE fixed destination in the channel window - thus no dynamic change of FX destination depending on track placement of audiotrack...

[arke]

well, using fl's editor (or your personal fav) does not answer the question at all. face it - fl doesn't do it...

and, umm, you can't have one audio track go to different FX - you specify ONE fixed destination in the channel window - thus no dynamic change of FX destination depending on track placement of audiotrack...

Wrong. You can automate the FX destination during the song.

I guess that's not the best way either, but it works. Personally, I have never needed that feature.

[Beardedone]

Using audio clips is not as well implemented as I would like and recording audio is awkward at best. There has to be an easier way to record audio.

[fabi]

well, using fl's editor (or your personal fav) does not answer the question at all. face it - fl doesn't do it...

and, umm, you can't have one audio track go to different FX - you specify ONE fixed destination in the channel window - thus no dynamic change of FX destination depending on track placement of audiotrack...

Wrong. You can automate the FX destination during the song.

I guess that's not the best way either, but it works. Personally, I have never needed that feature.

so can you tell me how to have two FX destinations simultaneously?
I thought about including FX slot automation in my post, but it really is only a workaround, and not even a fully functional one.
i.e. it is not possible in FL, and the things that are possible, are an absolute PITA.

(i use FL, btw, but because they (imobla) suck, i have never bothered editing audio in FL save for a few very minor things.)

plus - it having trouble with big filesize of audiotracks makes it unuseable most of the time, for me...

[peejunk]

and, umm, you can't have one audio track go to different FX - you specify ONE fixed destination in the channel window - thus no dynamic change of FX destination depending on track placement of audiotrack...

But you can slice out the bit (or the whole wave) you want sent to another channel, "make unique" and route it to the other channel.

[peejunk]

so can you tell me how to have two FX destinations simultaneously?

In what host(s) can any channel be routed to two buses simultaneously. You'd need to duplicate the audio clip on two audio tracks routed to two different busses. I can't see how this is different than making unique and routing to two different busses.

[fabi]

which is still an absolute pain in the ass... workarounds are possible. however, lately it seems that FL relies heavily on workarounds all over - and that is plain annoying.

[fabi]

so can you tell me how to have two FX destinations simultaneously?

In what host(s) can any channel be routed to two buses simultaneously. You'd need to duplicate the audio clip on two audio tracks routed to two different busses. I can't see how this is different than making unique and routing to two different busses.

i was refering to soma's request. ask him, in which hosts it is possible - all i am saying is that it is NOT possible in FL.

[soma]

Tracktion, XT, Buzz... Anyway can be done with with a send in FL too.
The thing for me is the way you see it on the screen. There should be something significant (such as where the clip is on the screen) that shows what output path it has.

It's just a matter of taste. I prefer to move stuff to a location instead of change a path number type of working. I think it gives a much better representation of signal path.

[birrbits]

which is still an absolute pain in the ass... workarounds are possible. however, lately it seems that FL relies heavily on workarounds all over - and that is plain annoying.

gee what a positive attitude,
how often do you need to send audio to a different set of effects midway through a song?
If it were me, I wouldnt even consider this approach (automating destination), I would simply add the effects to the track that will (eventually) use them, set them to dry and automate the wet/dry.