IK CSR Reverb - few days to go :)

[Beardedone]

okay I never paid attention to the Miroslav thingy... guess that was not a good idea....just listend to the demos and they sound mighty fine

Hey Alex! Yes Philharmonik is mighty fine.

See ya,
Gordon

[nick at artsacoustic]

The reason I’m asking this question is because I know somebody who used tones of different equipment to make a demo that was totally irrelevant to the product he was selling.

just out of interrest:
who are you refering to (pls understand my request, as this is in terms of reverb)?

[Kingston]

How do we know if the demos that are posted on the IK website were actually made with CSR ?...and not let’s say with one of those outboard boxes?
Because they are plain horrible...
Or is it just the combination of poorly sampled intruments (did ya say flute?) and poor streaming...?

I thought the demos were actually really good, a top notch reverb sound. So good in fact, that all this questioning on how the demos were made are quite valid. Even more since the demos will be accessible only to people with the right USB key...

[kmonkey]

The reason I’m asking this question is because I know somebody who used tones of different equipment to make a demo that was totally irrelevant to the product he was selling.

just out of interrest:
who are you refering to (pls understand my request, as this is in terms of reverb)?

Ok now you throwin suspicious balls to your AA Reverb
But as far as i know AA is one of best soft. reverbs. So dont know why you asking this...i doubt that anyone is thinkin aobut AA in this thread.

Btw will AA (if ever) implement some plate algos? To be honest that plate presets in AA is nothing special. Can be beaten by almost any plate impulse r.

Hall and rooms are other story...

Cant wait to hear how AA is comparable to CSR and who is better

[Squids]

And here are some other questions:
1. I own Lexicon PCM91 (Lexicon Studio card) and I would like to know if CSR is an improvement over Lexicon unit?

Great piece. I used to have a PCM90 in my set up. Is CSR an improvement? Maybe in some ways. The way it is set up where you can load just the algo that you are working with probably makes it lean on your CPU for host processing. I don't know what else except that it is host-based and can be used also on a laptop or multiple computers if that is what you have. Also the price is not much more to get it. However, if you already have a nice reverb like that then it could be a luxury. It all depends. But, you essentially already have a nice studio reverb so... that's up to you!

So, you say the CSR is on about the same level as the PCM90/91?
In earlier posts, you compared the CSR direcetly or indirectly with the 480L. Here, I have to chime in. There are worlds between the PCM9x and the 480L...
PCM91 is very good, no doubt, but 480L or M6000 is High End.
I think there are already native reverbs out there in the PCM9x quality class, so what's the improvement with CSR?

It is a reverb with the sound and features of a "classic STUDIO reverb". I didn't say it IS a 480L or an M6000. I never said it is the upgrade from a PCM91 to something "worlds better" either. But, compared to most of the latest software reverbs many of which are convolution reverbs, this offers a high end classic studio hardware reverb sound and programmability. Maybe it will be upgraded with more specific emulations of other reverbs in the future, I really don't know. I didn't make it. I just know what it represents in the virtual studio and what a great price it is.

[Squids]

The reason I’m asking this question is because I know somebody who used tones of different equipment to make a demo that was totally irrelevant to the product he was selling.

just out of interrest:
who are you refering to (pls understand my request, as this is in terms of reverb)?

That wasn't my quote. It was a quote of a quote. I was answering his question. So I have no idea who he was refering to. Maybe quote the original post?

[Squids]

How do we know if the demos that are posted on the IK website were actually made with CSR ?...and not let’s say with one of those outboard boxes?
Because they are plain horrible...
Or is it just the combination of poorly sampled intruments (did ya say flute?) and poor streaming...?

I thought the demos were actually really good, a top notch reverb sound. So good in fact, that all this questioning on how the demos were made are quite valid. Even more since the demos will be accessible only to people with the right USB key...

Now that I understand you better, I take back what I said about you being a troll. You're not and I apologize. The thread was getting frustrating (and no not from marketing perspective... I come in here by choice by the way and not by job requirement- and no job would require me to piss off my wife, miss the Super Bowl and post past midnight... yet somehow I do it).

I take offense sometimes to people having a sort of "guilty until proven innocent" attitude and suggesting that companies would fake a demo. However, I could really just answer the questions (including that one) and just say "no, they didn't use an outboard reverb for the demos". It still comes down to trust on that anyway but each person is entitled to be skeptical if they want. Bottom line is that if you have any doubts then you better be sure for yourself and find a way to audition it personally. If not a demo in your hands then perhaps a visit to the store at some point.

Again, I only know so much admitedly about this product. I know I like the way it sounds, what it represents in the virtual studio and how powerful it is in its parameters. It fills a role. Like I said, talking about reverbs is not my passion! It's a great reverb. Okay, cool.

Cheers.

PW, in your sig you have the Cameleon 5000. Totally off topic but did you know that Sonic Reality provided the samples analyzed for Cameleon's sound set? If that doesn't prove we love this stuff and aren't "all about the marketing/sales" then I don't know what! Just kidding. But, we are fueled as much or more by the love and interest in this stuff. I am not some marketing person. I am a musician/engineer who samples instruments primarily. Marketing is actually one small part of the equation.

[nick at artsacoustic]

Ok now you throwin suspicious balls to your AA Reverb

no, i just want to make sure, that this is not adressed to us. i was getting an email the last few days where someone couldn`t believe that we used our reverb on the audio demo mp3`s.
he was very suspicious about it.
so i was asking, to prevent any missunderstandings .

But as far as i know AA is one of best soft. reverbs.

thanks, nice to hear.

Btw will AA (if ever) implement some plate algos?

currently i cannot say, as time is very short on us.

Cant wait to hear how AA is comparable to CSR and who is better

comparsions are needless, they are completely buildt out of different approaches. different characters will make a mix benefit greatly, imo.

[Eric Sundance]

Squids wrote:

The reason I’m asking this question is because I know somebody who used tones of different equipment to make a demo that was totally irrelevant to the product he was selling.

just out of interrest:
who are you refering to (pls understand my request, as this is in terms of reverb)?

Sorry guys, but it is private info. Just something I stumbled upon that made me question things. I did not refer to you or any of your product.

It is a reverb with the sound and features of a "classic STUDIO reverb". I didn't say it IS a 480L or an M6000. I never said it is the upgrade from a PCM91 to something "worlds better" either. But, compared to most of the latest software reverbs many of which are convolution reverbs, this offers a high end classic studio hardware reverb sound and programmability. Maybe it will be upgraded with more specific emulations of other reverbs in the future, I really don't know. I didn't make it. I just know what it represents in the virtual studio and what a great price it is.

So what you’re saying is that CSR is an improvement over existing software reverbs but it is not on par lets say with top lexicon or TC units. Right?!... I don’t care if I can insert it into every channel out there or if I can use only one instance of it. My question is: ”Can CSR get me into quality spaces that are normally achievable only through lexicons or TC boxes. “
Thanks.

[multree]

okay I never paid attention to the Miroslav thingy... guess that was not a good idea....just listend to the demos and they sound mighty fine

Hey Alex! Yes Philharmonik is mighty fine.

See ya,
Gordon

yup it's looking tempting.. though money is a bit short on my end.... we'll see

[Midiworks]

@Squids
So, how much cpu does it use please ?
(Big Hall > P4 2ghz XX% ect.)

Thanks

[Stupid American Pig]

7. Is PC VST version of T-Racks is as good as the one that is made for Protools?

PC VST vs. RTAS? Yes, it is the same.

So the difference in price is just for the fun of it?

[bmanic]

Just to clarify my posts also:

Like I already said earlier, I found the audio demo clips to be very good but was rather taken back by the fact that they are an IK product (which in MY opinion have always been only mediocre at best. This is MY opinion only so take it as that). Now that I know that the code is actually 3rd party it all makes more sense to me and I'm waiting eagerly for some more demo clips.

Cheers!
bManic

[Squids]

So what you’re saying is that CSR is an improvement over existing software reverbs but it is not on par lets say with top lexicon or TC units. Right?!... I don’t care if I can insert it into every channel out there or if I can use only one instance of it. My question is: ”Can CSR get me into quality spaces that are normally achievable only through lexicons or TC boxes. “
Thanks.

Well, like I said, I didn't make it. As a user who has it and has had some of the $2,000 variety of reverbs in my studios (not the $5,000+ although I have worked in studios that have them) it is at LEAST on par with dedicated reverbs in that area. It ISN'T a 480L replacement. Although it does have a rich beautiful sound that evokes one. I never owned a 480L to know what CSR has and doesn't have that a 480 would though.

It is hard to say. But, I can say comfortably that it is a high quality reverb and the parameters show you the depth of its programmability. It WILL give you quality spaces but of course that is also subjective so if you already own some nice reverbs and are looking for something particular then I suggest checking it for yourself. If one DOESN'T own any great algo reverbs then this is a good choice to fill that role.

I hope that is a helpful answer. It is the best one I have right now. While I can talk all day about the difference of sound in mic pres, mics, compressors, EQs when it comes to reverbs my interest is less. I like to have a few different high quality reverbs of different types (such as my UAD Plate, Altiverb, Space Designer and CSR) and I am good to go. I also have RealVerb which I sometimes use. I'd love a virtual version of a Quantec Room Simulator though. I guess I do like reverbs but it is not something I jump up and down about. CSR is just a nice one to have in your virtual rack, for this price anyway.

Good luck everyone! I will let you know if I find out more about demo versions and stuff like that.

Cheers!

[Squids]

@Squids
So, how much cpu does it use please ?
(Big Hall > P4 2ghz XX% ect.)

Thanks

Hi Rene

I will try to find that out when I have a moment.

PS. Good luck with your amp. Looks cool.