KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:42 am

Business as usual. Good initial ideas, epic failing on any sort of realisation.
Would anybody seriously BUY any kind of software from this bloke?
Just imagine there'd be a single bug. When would you expect it to be fixed, if at all?

Pfft.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:33 am

A bump, just for personal pleasure

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:26 am

There will be a new amazing, never done before
VST plugin for electric guitar

I'm sure its already been said but.....Where have I heard that before?

Cheers......CL

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:35 am

What I love most about Midiworks is that he still posts here regularly. Some people just have no shame.

I'm sure if we raise enough of a stink he'll pop into this thread to tell us that this and the amp sim are right on track now and will be released soon.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:18 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: I'm sure if we raise enough of a stink he'll pop into this thread to tell us that this and the amp sim are right on track now and will be released soon.

No way. The next thing that's gonna happen is that he'll open a thread about the kickass, brandnew, revolutionary bass processing plugin that is close to being released.

ccosta · Post by **ccosta** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:54 pm

Never say never !

Chinese-democracy is released ,

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:25 am

lotus2035 wrote:I've never been convinced of acoustic modelling for electric guitars..even the Boss pedal AC-3 still sounds like an electric to me... I would rather use the real thing or a sampled acoustic..

actually the vg8 (and derivatives haxa/gk pedals) did it pretty nicely by modelling each string separately it adds to the realism(i still have the waveshaper stomp and use it for quick mockups of acoustic parts and it's nice when blended in the mix(less so in solo))

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:52 am

Fwiw, I made some little tests and it's not all too unlikely I'll come up with a reasonable solution for myself one day. Right now (as I'm already packing some things together, I'll be moving out in march and have a long wintertour to play until then), so I can't record impulse responses of my acoustic guitars right now.
Anyways, IMO that very technique would be the ticket.
Plus, you gotta think about the signal path.

Ok, as we're capturing the sound of the body via an impulse, we need to feed this impulse with something that sounds like an acoustic minus the body portion.
Have you ever listened to what an acoustic sounds like without the body? You can do that easily with those solid body things made for live useage. Actually, even an electric guitar will sort of do, just press your ears onto the bridge and listen.
The sound is pretty much high-mid oriented, with some presence and very little bass. In other words, it's quite a thin sound.
Now, this is more or less what our captured body IR "expects" to be fed with.
when you, however, record the PU output of an electric, the sound is anything but close to that. There's quite some low mids and basses. Obviously, a bridge PU is already sounding a bit closer to the "acoustic minus body" thing (and I'm sure this is why Midiworks asked for DI signals of bridge PUs).

Ok, here's what I did: I downloaded a body IR from Noisevault. Unfortunately, it's a *really* bad IR. I then recorded a bit of my G&L neck PU, slapped some EQ onto it and EQed almost all lows and low mids out of it, plus I added some high mids and highs. This was followed by Logic's Space Designer with the body IR loaded.
Ah! Really, it pretty much sounded like a badly recorded acoustic. The reason it sounded so bad was obviously the quality of the IR. So I made my own IR, using the piezo of my Takamine (it's a really, really bad PU, this guitar is around 20 years old). And guess what? It was almost sounding like a really bad piezo PU recording.
I won't post some sound examples just now (probably later), but I'm sure that this is a good way to get pretty close.

Does anybody know whether there's some better guitar body (plus mic) impulse responses anywhere? Or could someone create some? As said, right now I'm limited to using a bad piezo, which defenitly doesn't do a great job.

In case Midiworks won't finish his plugin (and he defenitely won't), let's just do it ourself. Platform-independent and all. All we need is a bunch of proper impulse responses and some EQ settings.

I'm sure that one could get pretty good results out of such a thing, at least for, say, the occasional background strumming. Of course, any details, such as string-body-interaction will not be captured, but that's impossible with any such a plugin "by design".

Cheers
Sascha

aribai · Post by **aribai** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:21 pm

this would be the way to go and maybe it would be a good idea to follow the "parameters" considered lets say on the zoom a2 (acoustic sim stomp--which I personally own and is NOT half bad)...

that would be:

1-pickup and amp selection (the pickups from the guitar and type of amp you're actually playing---)
2-impulse from bodies of acoustic guitars (takamine, guild, martin..)
3-DEamp option (natural acoustic guitars dont sound amped do they?)
4-Mic emulation (condenser, dynamic... and distance placement)
5-FX (mostly reberbs)
6-noise reduction , compression and/or limiter
7-HI eq and LO eq

I tried to record directly my acoustic using a piezo PU... sounds thin
and the PU picks noise from the PC and makes an annoying HUM...
so maybe some sort of HUM suppresion eq would be handy as well

tangentmusic · Post by **tangentmusic** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:36 pm

tangentmusic wrote:may i be the first in asking when you expect to release said vst..

posted the day he announced it..

what a guess...

soerja · Post by **soerja** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:23 am

So, this project is discountinued? Any other alternative besides deepboard? a better sounding one perharps?

pattonfreak1 · Post by **pattonfreak1** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:27 am

soerja wrote:So, this project is discountinued?

Yep.
Renee is Queen of Vapourware, He's notorious for "Oh look at this revolutionary plugin that I'll let you test and tell you all of the wonderous things it can do. Give me all your input so I can make it the best there is. Oh by the way, I never said I'd actually release it so... jokes on you".

soerja · Post by **soerja** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:42 am

now she should got shot or cut her tongue out, or shot her, cut her toungue and shot her tongue. Now I suppose, i'd stick on buying that cort accoustic gutiar.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:12 am

pattonfreak1 wrote:
soerja wrote:So, this project is discountinued?
Yep.
Renee is Queen of Vapourware, He's notorious for "Oh look at this revolutionary plugin that I'll let you test and tell you all of the wonderous things it can do. Give me all your input so I can make it the best there is. Oh by the way, I never said I'd actually release it so... jokes on you".

I strongly object to the term vapourware but I suppose I can live with it as long as it's not vaporware.

soerja · Post by **soerja** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:31 am

Hink wrote:
pattonfreak1 wrote:
soerja wrote:So, this project is discountinued?
Yep.
Renee is Queen of Vapourware, He's notorious for "Oh look at this revolutionary plugin that I'll let you test and tell you all of the wonderous things it can do. Give me all your input so I can make it the best there is. Oh by the way, I never said I'd actually release it so... jokes on you".

I strongly object to the term vapourware but I suppose I can live with it as long as it's not vaporware.

Are you her?

Acoustic guitar modeler VST First screenshot