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Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:40 pm

I'm so totally in. Is that G or a B nylon string?

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:51 pm

Compyfox wrote:I'm so totally in. Is that G or a B nylon string?

I honestly can't remember. During my intensive research phase, I also made hooch out of a pile of old tennis shoes. I think I might be onto something here because and I can't remember a damn thing from that night. I live on in the forlorn hope that it hasn't done permanent damage, or if it has that I will be so fu#ked up, I won't even care!

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:08 pm

yeah i agree compyFox although im not a huge fan of their stuff or Ronnie james Dwarf either but anyway amusingly cheap videos are good especially when (Howard 'The Hammer' Jones) Morpheus from the matrix is singing and bashing out you a sweet new sword in medieval times (could things get any better than that?). The original RJD video is so amusing as Dio is always in shot solo or at an odd angle due to him being so small and them swords he wields are in reality fancy letter openers in size bless him

and Dio 'invented' the \m/ horns \m/

Ride The Tiger

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:30 pm

Sickle wrote:Daniel pulls this kinda shit once a year. He's been having these...episodes..as far back as I can remember(2003-4?).

All you guys are doing is encouraging him.

You know I didn't really want to say anything but................Sickle is right.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:11 pm

Sickle wrote:Daniel pulls this kinda shit once a year.

What gives you the right to call him out on it? The plug-ins he's given us already are fantastic, that's enough for him to be deserving of our utmost respect.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:31 pm

Oh trust us, we give him ton of respect and are thankful for his creations - his reactions are just childish seeing that Christian apologized and withdrew his plugin version.

Heck it was only a GUI thing, the plugins didn't even work the same according to Christian. Look at the Modern Plugs, stolen all over - nobody cares. TbT and Christian Budde? Hell broken loose. I don't see why this is such a big deal here.

It's up to Daniel what he's doing, but I'd love to see an update on the existing plugins at least so that they're in VST2.3, maybe even VST2.4 standard (finally?). The plugins were pretty much untouched since they were released. Not that they're buggy or something, I just like to be able to continue using them - especially since TLs Maximizer is still way better and more transparent than MPL-1 Pro from Kjaerhus and Waves L1 (or the freeware George Yohng W1 counterpart).

I mean, we users don't ask for much, do we? And if everything fails, there's still the possibility to donate...

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:46 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Sickle wrote:Daniel pulls this kinda shit once a year.
What gives you the right to call him out on it? The plug-ins he's given us already are fantastic, that's enough for him to be deserving of our utmost respect.

Respect is earned in how a person behaves, at least in my opinion, not in what he "gives" the community. I can respect Daniel for his work, and I do, very much so in fact! But in this case I cannot respect his behavior, at all.

Cheers!
bManic

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:50 pm

Compyfox wrote:Oh trust us, we give him ton of respect and are thankful for his creations - his reactions are just childish seeing that Christian apologized and withdrew his plugin version.

Calling his reactions childish is giving him tons of respect? He's given us a lot and hasn't asked anything in return, we don't have any right to judge his actions.

I mean, we users don't ask for much, do we?

What gives us the right to ask for anything at all?

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:54 pm

Uncle E wrote: What gives us the right to ask for anything at all?

You've always got a right to ask. There is no harm in that (unless it becomes nagging). The other party however does not have to full fill your wishes and you, the asking party, will just have to accept that.

At least this makes more sense to me.

Cheers!
bManic

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:21 pm

bmanic wrote:Respect is earned in how a person behaves, at least in my opinion, not in what he "gives" the community. I can respect Daniel for his work, and I do, very much so in fact! But in this case I cannot respect his behavior, at all.

You're saying his generosity is outweighed by his personality? That's like saying Lincoln's contributions to the black community are meaningless because his intentions for waging the war weren't completely altruistic.

btw, consider that Daniel's personality may be directly connected to his ability to produce such great stuff. We don't see the same level of quality coming from many other freeware developers so it's not hard to imagine that his "quirks" may contribute to setting him apart from the pack.

You've always got a right to ask. There is no harm in that (unless it becomes nagging). The other party however does not have to full fill your wishes and you, the asking party, will just have to accept that.

Right. You're right, I can understand that, it just seems like people think they have the right to expect something when he's already given us more than we deserve. Even with you judging his behavior, it just seems undignified to make such a statement publicly about someone who only gives to us and never takes from us.

I've PM'd Daniel in the past to offer him donations for his work. Even if he ever accepted (which he didn't), I would still be fine with his decisions here.

Christian Budde · Post by **Christian Budde** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:41 pm

Just one more post here. I sent a mail to Daniel in person and received his response. I kind of admire his faith in mankind and hope to make the world a better place (might sound strange, but I couldn't find better words). I respect his decision even if that means that some persons are probably mad at me.
Please don't judge me bad. At the moment the only thing happend is that he took of the teasers. So don't loose hope. As far as I can believe (from my point of view as a freeware developer myself) it takes more to kill good stuff then that.

Or even better stuff. Thus I wish Daniel all the best for his future work, whatever that will be.

Christian

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:44 pm

Uncle E wrote:it just seems like people think they have the right to expect something when he's already given us more than we deserve

I think we've all made peace (or will soon enough) with Daniel's decision in this case. It's his decision, after all, and he has pulled up stakes for quite a long time before so we should all be used to it by now.

In this case, many have commented on the situation because a) it was all done in plain view, b) we've seen it all happen before, and c) it involves two well-liked guys who hang out here, so loyalties are conflicted.

So far, most everyone here seems to have said they think Christian was foolhardy in his choice and that Daniel was justified in not being pleased, but that Daniel overreacted considering clearly no harm was meant by Christian and he amended the situation and apologized quickly. I think it's fair to have an opinion on such a situation.

We're all free to speak our minds when one member of the board overreacts to the actions of another member, whether it involves two plugin programmers or not. Else, don't do it on the board. That dynamic has nothing to do with generosity this, or gifts that. We're all equals here, no need to expect us to rub each other's nuts just because we want the candy. I'm sure everyone of us in this thread has thanked or praised Daniel at one time or another, so I don't think we need to forever prostrate ourselves because he has taken the admirable path of sharing.

Some of us view plugins as the art of these guys, much like music posted in the Cafe. I'm excited to see what Daniel does, because I think he does cool stuff. I also have a mental list of board members whose music I go out of my way to listen to, too. Same dynamic, and I'd urge them to let me hear their hidden music as much as I'd urge Daniel to let me see what he's made with these compressors. But saying that doesn't mean I'm demanding or expecting or begging or pleading. I don't post all the music I make, Daniel shouldn't have to post any plugin he makes unless he wants to. Fans ask, doesn't mean fans are demanding.

As one board member to another, and even one artist to another, he'd do well not to get so chafed about the little stuff, but whatever, he can live his life as he sees fit.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:31 pm

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stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:34 pm

Maybe it's time for a little rest ?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:37 pm

Shy wrote:I'm amazed that anyone can say they disrespect Daniel's "behavior", whatever that means. Because he hasn't released his newer plugins yet?

No. Only Bmanic said that, and he made it clear several pages back that what he didn't respect was the reaction to/treatment of Christian.

Both Daniel and Christian are okay in my book, miscalculations and hubris notwithstanding.

New TLS website - new compressors deceased!