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Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:27 am

PaulSC wrote:The Xs used as abbreviations on the low and high crossover knobs don't match each other.

wow! good eye! That's odd, as it is the same font... but you are correct... ok, I will force it to be the same...

PaulSC · Post by **PaulSC** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:27 am

Galbanum wrote:so bassically:

http://www.2caudio.com/products/aether/ ... Skin_3.png

Yes??

Yes!!

Release it!!

(But fix that "X".)

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:33 am

...still one or two bugs in the code to fix... tricky little buggers... but yes, we are very close...

nexussynth · Post by **nexussynth** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:23 am

this has probably been asked before, but do you plan to do an SSE1 version so those of us on older computers can enjoy most of the reverb's sound quality? even the new Lexicon plugins run on an Athalon. in this economy many can not buy a new PC...

screentan · Post by **screentan** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:51 am

elxicano wrote:@ebow, to my ears EOS had a very distinctive sound that I did not like. I've only just picked up Reaktor but I did have a play with Spacemaster and not comparing features (as it's been a while since playing EOS and I'm not familiar enough with Spacemaster), the sound of Spacemaster was much more of what you'd expect in a decent reverb.

If you're willing, seriously drop the money on EOS and give it a go. It didn't do it for me, but there are so many here on KVR that LOVE this thing... maybe you'll be one of them? Chris is quick about refunds if you find you don't like it.

Spacemaster was a hidden gem for me when I bought a second hand copy of Reaktor Session for next to nothing years ago. I knew nothing about it and when I tried it out I couldn't believe how good it was and the depth and spaciousness it gave to my deep house tracks. I keep having to remind myself when I see 5/5 reverb reviews that I already have a stunning reverb in Spacemaster and now Redline Reverb have taken it to the next level.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:10 am

nexussynth wrote:this has probably been asked before, but do you plan to do an SSE1 version so those of us on older computers can enjoy most of the reverb's sound quality? even the new Lexicon plugins run on an Athalon. in this economy many can not buy a new PC...

No sorry. The last Lex alg that is in the new bundle was originally coded sometime in the 90's I think??

(don't quote me, since we don't study lex that closely as emulation is not our goal). All other Lex algs were designed before that. As such, they were written before SSS2/SSE3 etc. So porting is prob not too hard. (I do have to say it is amazing what they were able to accomplish with the available hardware...) We, on the other hand, use some very modern things and we require a reasonably modern computer.

..we are considering something that may help people with older machines, but it is not exactly what you ask for. Can't say anything now.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:19 am

Galbanum wrote:
elxicano wrote:What's with the links (home and all)?

I love this, but also love the first skin too!

Links? You mean the 2CAudio site? For the last year, the Aether product page has been the only page on the 2C site. That is why the other links in the nav bar all point back to the product page.

We are beginning to build the full site now in PHP with a fully modern 2010/future web archiectue. Product development was first priority, but now that we are about done (with 1.5) we will move to improving our infrastructure... Expect a new site launch this spring.

Sorry, I meant on the GUI... there are what looks like chain links next to a "home" and "all" text.

D.Wako · Post by **D.Wako** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:35 am

I like that new look.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:29 am

I gotta say though, I still love the old (current) gui. I think I'll be leaving it alone... it's just so very... Aethery.

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:04 am

It's a bit late in the ballgame, but aren't we all taking this GUI thing a bit too seriously? Andrew, I think it's great that you spend so much time and effort getting feedback and utilizing it (and of course you want to sell your product!) - I just had this vision of Da Vinci painting the Mona Lisa in this day and age...

"so, how do you like her?"
"Her eyes are askew!"
"Can't you make her blond?"
"The background's a bit blurry."
"Her dress should be more low-cut."
"Naw, I like her that way."
"You don't know what you're talking about."
"How about some transparency in the dress?"
"There's no definition on the back of her hand, we should be able to see some sinews and bone."
"Portraits suck."

You know what I mean?

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:17 am

Galbanum wrote:
nexussynth wrote:this has probably been asked before, but do you plan to do an SSE1 version so those of us on older computers can enjoy most of the reverb's sound quality? even the new Lexicon plugins run on an Athalon. in this economy many can not buy a new PC...
No sorry. The last Lex alg that is in the new bundle was originally coded sometime in the 90's I think?? (don't quote me, since we don't study lex that closely as emulation is not our goal). All other Lex algs were designed before that. As such, they were written before SSS2/SSE3 etc. So porting is prob not too hard. (I do have to say it is amazing what they were able to accomplish with the available hardware...) We, on the other hand, use some very modern things and we require a reasonably modern computer.

..we are considering something that may help people with older machines, but it is not exactly what you ask for. Can't say anything now.

Do you plan any performance improvements? Aether is by far the heaviest reverb plugin I know. 1 instance of Aether is equal to 3-4 instances of Lexicon Native or 5-7 of Breverb. Is there any reason for this even the quality is not 3-4 times better?

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:40 am

ariston wrote:It's a bit late in the ballgame, but aren't we all taking this GUI thing a bit too seriously? Andrew, I think it's great that you spend so much time and effort getting feedback and utilizing it (and of course you want to sell your product!) - I just had this vision of Da Vinci painting the Mona Lisa in this day and age...

You know what I mean?

Yes, sure... we are done with the GUI topic now basically. Generally if you ask someone for an opinion they will give you one, and it is never ending, esp on aesthetics. I know this. GUI is not what is holding us up though. We have a few bugs still bothering us that we are fixing... So I thought I would ask about GUI while that is going on...

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:41 am

holy crap!

i reeeeally wish I had not succumbed to my own curiosity about aether.
yes, I installed it...and yes, I will buy it. Not now...as I can barely afford to keep my own doors open, but it's definitely on the short list.
This is an astonishing tool. Took only minutes to determine that.
I've not been this ...inspired... with an effect in quite a while.
my my my....I really want this one

kudos, Galbanum!

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:45 am

poshook wrote:
Galbanum wrote:
nexussynth wrote:this has probably been asked before, but do you plan to do an SSE1 version so those of us on older computers can enjoy most of the reverb's sound quality? even the new Lexicon plugins run on an Athalon. in this economy many can not buy a new PC...
No sorry. The last Lex alg that is in the new bundle was originally coded sometime in the 90's I think?? (don't quote me, since we don't study lex that closely as emulation is not our goal). All other Lex algs were designed before that. As such, they were written before SSS2/SSE3 etc. So porting is prob not too hard. (I do have to say it is amazing what they were able to accomplish with the available hardware...) We, on the other hand, use some very modern things and we require a reasonably modern computer.

..we are considering something that may help people with older machines, but it is not exactly what you ask for. Can't say anything now.
Do you plan any performance improvements? Aether is by far the heaviest reverb plugin I know. 1 instance of Aether is equal to 3-4 instances of Lexicon Native or 5-7 of Breverb. Is there any reason for this even the quality is not 3-4 times better?

Your question is not technically right one. First of all you can't know how aether is coded, you can not expect 3-4x better quality , what is better quality to you? Can you describe what you want to perceive in hearing when you compare today aether engine with 3-4 times better? You can't compare aether to lex, two differently sounding tools and for Christ sake let it be that way!

Aether is amazing, Lex PCM is lovely, we have three kings...Ah yes...ArtsAcoustic one..

Soon we'll have four.. (480L from Relab)...

p.s. on my core duo i see that aether is eating x2 compared to Lexicon, not x3-4..

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:03 am

poshook wrote: Do you plan any performance improvements? Aether is by far the heaviest reverb plugin I know. 1 instance of Aether is equal to 3-4 instances of Lexicon Native or 5-7 of Breverb. Is there any reason for this even the quality is not 3-4 times better?

Generally speaking, not in 1.5. Maybe for the future.

CPU usage in Aether is variable depending on a bunch of factors. A good base preset to use is the default preset that loads when Aether loads. (This is not the lightest possible, as turing off modulation saves a lot of CPU, but usually it is on, so i think it is not fair to test with it off)

The only truly reliable way to measure true CPU usage is to pile instances on separate audio tracks one at a time until your can not add any more. Then you can count how many total instances your system can load at one time. Then compare to the other products if you like. I took a quick look at the Lex demo that a friend had, and tested in this way, it seemed to me like we were more like 2X as heavy, not 3-4 times. There are reasons why we are heavier, in some cases, yes, but I can not disclose them. I don't know about Breverb.

I can load 112 instances of Aether on my 8-core Mac Pro 2008. I can run 208 on my 2009 8-Core Win 7 machine. (tested using retail v1.0.1). Do I really need to be able to run 224 instances, or 416 instances??

I know not everyone has this kind of power, but how many reverbs do people use on average in a project?? It's generally not like a channel strip that must be on every single audio track, right? A few on sends is generally good, right?

As such, when comparing performance vs quality, we generally prefer to err on the side of quality. Perforamce issues fix themselves every 18 months if you listen to Moore, right?

Now don't take that to mean that I advocate being piggish just for the sake of it. We do optimize of course. Some techniques we use are simply CPU heavy, and there is no way around it (that we have found so far).

You can also use only ERs on audio tracks, and keep LRs on send if you need lots of positioning type of fx.

Is 2C's Aether REALLY worth it? (the answer is: yes, certainly)