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TiUser · Post by **TiUser** » Fri May 28, 2010 8:39 am

...if this is your racing car than it's exactly the thing I thought of...

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:04 am

TiUser wrote: If you have nothing to do and see your favorite racing car

Is this music then?

dodokvr · Post by **dodokvr** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:28 am

Noise is everywhere
Music is somewhere

TiUser · Post by **TiUser** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:58 am

...as I said I think it depends on your mood, you "perception state".

I am not ready for the red thing sound of any kind in this moment - so to me it's noise right now... but it has also elements others quoted here to indicate music, like a "structure" and maybe I like it if I am in the right mood for that...

Oh, I didn't laugh as well... the prologue was too obvious that there might come something unexpected - so it isn't quite as unexpected as it could be in a joke... but I guess that's completely OT now...

Km7 · Post by **Km7** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:03 am

Today we can simply take a piss from the top of our buildings and call this art. Agree?

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:15 am

Varadin wrote:Today we can simply take a piss from the top of our buildings and call this art. Agree?

Andy Warhol actually sold some paintings that were made this way ...

TiUser · Post by **TiUser** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:37 am

Varadin wrote:Today we can simply take a piss from the top of our buildings and call this art. Agree?

For some people this might apply if they are in the right mood...
...and BWT I am curious how this will be recorded...

Other than that I can not agree to any absolute criteria, rules and laws that do not exist IMHO - except you want to describe a certain genre of "music"... where some rules and laws have been extracted to describe it.

I assume everyone here has an intuitive understanding what music is - and to me that's enough. Everything else looks to me as an ever spinning roundabout with no result at all.

But now you can ask what a "genre" is... and it's similar to "music", we intuitively know and we can use that to describe certain types of music more in detail to get rid of the flaw that "music" is more or less just intuitively understood by anyone.

The brain is an rule extractor, not just a memorizer but I think it's impossible to start with rules, you need something intuitively clear to start with... to apply rules. Can you apply rules to nothing?

So finally maybe we can ask what makes "acoustic events" to "music"? As this discussion shows, everyone seems to know for himself and has rules...

Now there comes the second point, the brain extracts rules without our conscience... it simply does and it applies rules to matching items you do not even know you know them... I can't remember the name of a linguist who impressively demonstrated that people can apply grammar rules to fantasy words they've never heard before (so the result of the rule could not be memorized) that meet the rule even without being aware of that rule... which was the really fun point as the scientist explained the rule before the experiment and hardly anyone knew what that meant or what to do - but everyone could apply it!

...so let's find the hidden rules about music inside us...

Download SOphist · Post by **Download SOphist** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:02 am

Musicologo wrote:So, we are reaching a question: is there a point when noise becomes music?

i'll just add that, to me, music is sound, in the widest sense possible, where purpose is to be found, in the widest sense possible. of course, this could be seen as only shifting the circularity.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:11 am

if I may quote vurt from a few years ago..

'music isn't what you hear, it's how you listen'

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Fri May 28, 2010 11:20 am

noise is very complex music. I dare you try and write it down on manuscript. Anyway it all sounds the same in the end and to some people any music is noise.

Km7 · Post by **Km7** » Fri May 28, 2010 1:42 pm

The reason why this thread isn't moving is because there is nowhere to move to. You can just close it and noone will miss it, I suppose.

Download SOphist · Post by **Download SOphist** » Fri May 28, 2010 3:04 pm

yes, it's like books and stuff.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:08 pm

xh3rv wrote:
Varadin wrote:Today we can simply take a piss from the top of our buildings and call this art. Agree?
Andy Warhol actually sold some paintings that were made this way ...

The Associates allegedly recorded one song using an acoustic guitar that both of them had pissed into before they cut the track...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:10 pm

robojam wrote:
xh3rv wrote:
Varadin wrote:Today we can simply take a piss from the top of our buildings and call this art. Agree?
Andy Warhol actually sold some paintings that were made this way ...
The Associates allegedly recorded one song using an acoustic guitar that both of them had pissed into before they cut the track...

i pissed on a speaker stack at a mates gig once.
mind you i was off my tits on lsd and can only say, it looked like a toilet

dodokvr · Post by **dodokvr** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:11 pm

Noise revolves around the world
The world revolves around music

What is the difference between music and noise? [years-dead slappyfight revived]