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bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:44 pm

grymmjack wrote:Is padshop available outside of cubase? Thought I read here $99 or something street price? Haven't been spammed by the usual suspects in email about the offering however. I'd be curious to give this a go and see how it stacks up to some reaktor ensembles, and the monolake max4live thingy, and last but certainly not least maelstrom.

It appears to be available, says "VST 3 compatible host application for using as plug-in":

http://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/vst/pa ... dshop.html

$49.99!!! Wow.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:00 pm

BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.

That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:03 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?

I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:04 pm

bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.

That's a turn off

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:06 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.
That's a turn off

I forget, what's your host? That's just what usually happens in Cubase (it must be said: some synths/effects still seem to have the old preset system). The presets might work better in another host.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:09 pm

bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.
That's a turn off
I forget, what's your host? That's just what usually happens in Cubase (it must be said: some synths/effects still seem to have the old preset system). The presets might work better in another host.

Well since it's VST3 I only have one option really - Studio One. So far the only VST3 plugins I own are my FabFilter ones and they use their own system so I've yet to see how S1 handles VST3presets.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:11 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.
That's a turn off
I forget, what's your host? That's just what usually happens in Cubase (it must be said: some synths/effects still seem to have the old preset system). The presets might work better in another host.
Well since it's VST3 I only have one option really - Studio One. So far the only VST3 plugins I own are my FabFilter ones and they use their own system so I've yet to see how S1 handles VST3presets.

Yeah, I have no idea how Steinberg presets will show up like in other hosts. Hopefully someone can tell us!

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:12 pm

bduffy wrote:
grymmjack wrote:Is padshop available outside of cubase? Thought I read here $99 or something street price? Haven't been spammed by the usual suspects in email about the offering however. I'd be curious to give this a go and see how it stacks up to some reaktor ensembles, and the monolake max4live thingy, and last but certainly not least maelstrom.
It appears to be available, says "VST 3 compatible host application for using as plug-in":

http://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/vst/pa ... dshop.html

$49.99!!! Wow.

Nice. $49? In.

Thanks duffman

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:14 pm

grymmjack wrote:
bduffy wrote:
grymmjack wrote:Is padshop available outside of cubase? Thought I read here $99 or something street price? Haven't been spammed by the usual suspects in email about the offering however. I'd be curious to give this a go and see how it stacks up to some reaktor ensembles, and the monolake max4live thingy, and last but certainly not least maelstrom.
It appears to be available, says "VST 3 compatible host application for using as plug-in":

http://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/vst/pa ... dshop.html

$49.99!!! Wow.
Nice. $49? In.

Thanks duffman

NP, Jackistan.

I'd buy it, but I'm gonna upgrade soon, so might as well wait. Plus, I have Omnisphere, so...

You must let me know what your impressions are!

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:28 pm

bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.

You can just use the arrow in the media bay pop-up. When you arrow down, the sound is loaded. So, it work pretty much like forward/back .. just up/down. (I agree Media Bay is one of the most poorly thought out messes ever, but patch selection doesn't require a click).

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:31 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
bduffy wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
BERFAB wrote:Padshop's got some great sounds. Nice full pads of all kinds are represented in the presets. My only gripe is that I really can't find any quick way to page through the presets for auditioning.
That sounds annoying - how do you navigate through the presets?
I assume it uses the wretched Medibay-style preset menu, which means: click, select "Load Preset", bring up window, arrow/click through presets. No back/forward arrows.
You can just use the arrow in the media bay pop-up. When you arrow down, the sound is loaded. So, it work pretty much like forward/back .. just up/down. (I agree Media Bay is one of the most poorly thought out messes ever, but patch selection doesn't require a click).

It does require a click, unless you have Mediabay open. Unless I'm missing something, you have to at least click on the preset area in the Inspector. If you click on the preset "cube" on the actual VSTi, you have to choose "Load Preset" from the menu.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:34 pm

bduffy wrote:Unless I'm missing something, you have to at least click on the preset area in the Inspector. If you click on the preset "cube" on the actual VSTi, you have to choose "Load Preset" from the menu.

Well ok, you click once in the preset name dialog box to get the media bay browser up that contains the patch names. But once that window is up, you just scroll down the list with the arrow keys. I thought you were saying you have to click on each patch name.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:36 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
bduffy wrote:Unless I'm missing something, you have to at least click on the preset area in the Inspector. If you click on the preset "cube" on the actual VSTi, you have to choose "Load Preset" from the menu.
Well ok, you click once in the preset name dialog box to get the media bay browser up that contains the patch names. But once that window is up, you just scroll down the list with the arrow keys. I thought you were saying you have to click on each patch name.

No, no! Sorry if I didn't write that clearly.

But what a messy system. I miss the old SX3 days...

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:41 pm

bduffy wrote: No, no! Sorry if I didn't write that clearly. But what a messy system. I miss the old SX3 days...

DISCLAIMER:: I HATE MEDIA BAY ::DISCLAIMER

But, in this scenario, it isn't really any more clicks. Under the fxb system, you still had to click in the bank box to get focus before you could navigate. The only difference now is that you have the pop-up caused by the click. At least that's how I remember it.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:48 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
bduffy wrote: No, no! Sorry if I didn't write that clearly. But what a messy system. I miss the old SX3 days...
DISCLAIMER:: I HATE MEDIA BAY ::DISCLAIMER

But, in this scenario, it isn't really any more clicks. Under the fxb system, you still had to click in the bank box to get focus before you could navigate. The only difference now is that you have the pop-up caused by the click. At least that's how I remember it.

DISCLAIMER: ME TOO. NOT TRYING TO BE CONTRARY, NOW I'M JUST INTERESTED...

As I play around now, I can see it depends on whether the plug-in has shipped with a VST2 preset bank or not, in which case, the blank preset area will show the old preset menu, including arrows (up/down, not left/right, my bad!), whereas to access the VST3 preset menu, you have to click and select "Load Preset".

On a plugin with no preset bank, clicking on the blank area instantly brings up the VST3 preset menu, so yeah, you're totally right there. But god, you'd think they could put next/previous arrows in all that real estate somewhere...

I don't know. I just don't like where they landed with presets. But for all I know, Padshop uses a HALion 4-style folder-tree preset loader. They show a shot of one on the product page, but it seems to be for loading waveforms?

Steinberg Padshop