Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[kmonkey]

What about Softube Trident EQ? That's nice EQ

[Anosou]

Whew, what a thread! Sorry I'm late! If you don't know, I'm a product specialist and community guy for Propellerhead so hopefully I can help out and answer questions you might have. Throw 'em at me!

One thing I wanted to bring up that I haven't seen so far in this thread are some of the advantages of RE, something that might matter when you're buying in to a format that works with one application - something many of you raised your voices about.

REs are future proof and we mean that exactly how it sounds. In Windows X or Mac OS Tiny Kitten, as long as Reason works for the platform—all Rack Extensions will work. No updates required! The developer does not need to do anything about this either. When 128 bit computing comes around, if Reason supports that then all your Rack Extensions that you may have bought today (!) will also work.

All REs use the same copy protection as Reason, meaning there is only one license scheme to keep track of. You can run them with internet verification (username/pass) or - after you've downloaded your purchased extensions - put them on your Ignition Key and run them without a connection.

This also allows some things you might not think about. As the only thing you need is your log-in or key, you can in practice go absolutely anywhere, download 6.5 from our site (always available) and authorize with your key or log-in. This will download all your Rack Extensions and you can get to work. When you leave, take your key with you and nobody can use your REs. This is particularly useful for collaboration or visiting studios.

In a similar vein you can send the self-contained Reason song files around for collaboration. Even if the person you're collaborating with doesn't have the REs you're using he/she can open the file. They get some options, either show all missing REs in the shop or start up anyway. REs they don't have will show up as "cardboard boxes" in your rack with links to the relevant Extension. Worth noting here is that they can easily do the 30 day trial and then the song works perfectly!

The "placeholder" Extensions just get bypassed (insert fx) or turned off (send fx/instruments/utility).

All REs are also completely sandboxed and not just applications interfacing with Reason. They can't access your system and if it crashes for some Reason (even though we do some serious testing) it will just go silent and you can save your song and keep working without it until you re-open the song, then it'll be back.

Finally, I know you laugh a lot about Undo (and we do too a bit) but REs being integrated and working like Reason is obviously a big plus if you like Reason. I.e. cmd+z is still undo and automation is still dune by alt+clicking and you can remote override any parameter.

Now I do work for Propellerhead so feel free to be skeptic, nothing wrong with that, but I'm happy to answer questions about this. I have other DAWs and plug-ins too but these reasons are why I would be willing to pay for REs I might have similar things to as VST/AUs.

[popskull]

"If we could we would have offered a good discount to existing VST / AU owners. But we can't. There simply are no facilitates for discounts in the Rack Extension store. Sorry. "

Thats from an RE developer. Why do owners of vst versions have to pay full price for RE's ? Why not a discount system.

[Anosou]

"If we could we would have offered a good discount to existing VST / AU owners. But we can't. There simply are no facilitates for discounts in the Rack Extension store. Sorry. "

Thats from an RE developer. Why do owners of vst versions have to pay full price for RE's ? Why not a discount system.

While I must admit I don't know the details behind the decision making, it is true that there is no "voucher" system or similar currently. We're hearing this feedback though so we'll see what happens in the future. I, completely personally, do understand that someone like Urs wants to care for their already existing customers that might want to change platform.

Again speaking as a random guy and not a Propellerhead, I think at least I expected a bit more RE-specific devices that weren't ports (the Synapse stuff comes to mind) so that a "crossgrade" weren't really applicable. That's just me though, as you've all seen now there are both ports and new stuff.

[mrdr]

Anosou, maybe on the occasion you are here shed some light on PDC in Reason. Maybe some future plans about it.

[Goseba]

@ anosou,
It is unclear from the EULA (to a number of people reading various threads) if RE's can be resold, either individually or with a Reason license. Could you clear this up please?

Can you confirm what other updates there are to 6.5 that are not RE related please? I cannot find anything anywhere that details this.

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

[keel]

I remember to try 6.0 demo, but I uninstall it right away, when I see that there is no "return to start" option for the playing cursors what ever you call it. You needed to use another shortcut for that, LOL! Is there this kinda option in this 6.5? I.E, you set up playing cursor somewhere, when you play stop, it returns automatically there where you set it up. This feature is under command "return to start" or "return to start position" in the cubase / S1. Sorry for my shit english..

[Anosou]

Anosou, maybe on the occasion you are here shed some light on PDC in Reason. Maybe some future plans about it.

I'm probably not the best guy to ask about PDC but I saw that Ludvig had been quoted here yesterday and Sean Costello answered that. I e-mailed this through to some colleagues to see if we could straighten it out!

There is indeed no PDC in 6.5 right now but the device that do introduce latency are the ones that use lookahead or some kind of analysis. In our case, the Ozone Maximizer in IRC-mode, FET with lookahead, Polar and possibly Bitspeek but I haven't tried it thoroughly enough.

I'll try to get back to you guys on this but we are aware

@ anosou,
It is unclear from the EULA (to a number of people reading various threads) if RE's can be resold, either individually or with a Reason license. Could you clear this up please?

Can you confirm what other updates there are to 6.5 that are not RE related please? I cannot find anything anywhere that details this.

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

As far as I know, at this point in time you can't resell REs. I guess it's similar to Apple's AppStore in that way. They're tied to your account (not your Reason license) and you can't transfer your account.

I remember to try 6.0 demo, but I uninstall it right away, when I see that there is no "return to start" option for the playing cursors what ever you call it. You needed to use another shortcut for that, LOL! Is there this kinda option in this 6.5? I.E, you set up playing cursor somewhere, when you play stop, it returns automatically there where you set it up. This feature is under command "return to start" or "return to start position" in the cubase / S1. Sorry for my shit english..

I'm not 100% sure I understand you but if I do, I'm happy to say we have this function!

When you press Stop once you go back to where you started playing/recording. When you press Stop a second time, you go back to the beginning of the song.

You can also use Shift+Enter as the key command for stop.

[Goseba]

Thanks anosou, and any info on other non RE updates please?

[Gosh]

for me the most important question regarding the rack extensions: can i install them on my daw computer which is not connected to the internet? i understand that i can only try them if i have an internet connection. but if i buy a rack extension and use my internet computer to put the authorization on my key will i be able to download the rack entension and bring it (together with the license on the authorization key) to my daw computer? i would be grateful if someone can shed some light on this.

[Anosou]

for me the most important question regarding the rack extensions: can i install them on my daw computer which is not connected to the internet? i understand that i can only try them if i have an internet connection. but if i buy a rack extension and use my internet computer to put the authorization on my key will i be able to download the rack entension and bring it (together with the license on the authorization key) to my daw computer? i would be grateful if someone can shed some light on this.

I'm afraid the answer might not be what you want but here goes:

To install a Rack Extension you must be connected to the internet and you must install it to the computer where you will use it. This means there are no files you can move that are "your Extensions".

Once installed you can put the license on your key and run them without any internet verification.

So, long story short, you need at least a one-time connection for installation on the relevant computer.

[mrdr]

Those RE extensions are installed in 'Program Files, Program Data' folders like those Line6 stuff or entirely in Reason instalation folder ?

[Gosh]

thanks anosou for the clarification. it also became clear when i "bought" the free pulsar from the shop that the computer where the extension is going to be used has to be connected to the interent for the authorizer to download it. not sure if this means that i will refrain from re-installing reason with extensions or if my daw computer has to meet the internet (at least temporarily).

[Anosou]

Those RE extensions are installed in 'Program Files, Program Data' folders like those Line6 stuff or entirely in Reason instalation folder ?

They aren't installed as files per say but there are associated dlls and other folders somewhere I honestly can't remember. However, moving these can break your installation and actually doesn't work on another computer as they're not designed that way.

[headquest]

Hmm, could be a problem... for example if I bought all the RE in the store so far (more than $1000) but then Propellerhead closed business (unlikely I know, but who would have thought Iceland the country would go bust, or that NI Kore would be discontinued?!) ... the investment is lost at that point? How about if Propellerhead were bought/taken over by another company like KORG or something, and they took a different path?