Reaper - What's the catch?

[memyselfandus]

Unless you guys video post something that's better than sliced bread I doubt anyone is going to take you guys serious.

No dog in this fight personally but in fairness that's kinda asking for a pissing contest. If Reaper users start posting things Logic maybe can't do... then what? Example: Can Logic load a VSTI directly on a midi clip? (just asking, dunno)

It will only result in a contest to see who can pick the most cherries from their favorite toy.

Having said that, Logic is undoubtedly "c0-champion" for midi overall, along with Cubase.

actually sounds fun!! could be informitive.. maybe not though.. depends..

[gabebrunogarza1021]

If Reaper users start posting things Logic maybe can't do... then what? Example: Can Logic load a VSTI directly on a midi clip? (just asking, dunno)

It will only result in a contest to see who can pick the most cherries from their favorite toy.

you can start another thread for that, but I'm trying to stay with the original OP.
He asked if there was something he was missing in Logic.
I mentioned The Enviroment, and I'm not trying to start a fight here either, but can you guys state and show something similiar in Reaper?

[LawrenceF]

He asked if there was something he was missing in Logic.

Fair enough Gabe. I think a rational conclusion is that anyone who thinks Reaper is comparable (overall) to Logic for midi would (respecrfully) be a moron.

But yeah, the environment sounds like something that should be explored by midi guys using Logic for sure.

P.S. I do find it interesting how people (nobody here) sometimes look to switch hosts without even fully learning the one they have already.

[gabebrunogarza1021]

As far as the "what would I miss" question... yeah. When people ask me that the question I ask in return is "what do you use there now?". He won't miss the environment if he doesn't use it like someone who doesn't use the logical editor in Cubase wouldn't miss it either.

But yeah, the environment sounds like something that should be explored by midi guys using Logic for sure.

Again, I'm not knocking Reaper, Cubase, ProTools.
Once people pick thier DAW, explore it and see what it can do.
If Reaper is your DAW stick with it, Logic stick with it.

I know people also mention that AU Instruments can't output MIDI like a VST can which is totally true (right now), but then when you talk about The Enviroment, does it at that point matter that an AU Instrument can't output MIDI after seeing the videos I'm posting and showing how the Enviroment can work with MIDI.

I said right now because it turns out that the SDK now supports that which I'm looking into. I think the host (Logic) has to support it as well, but I'm just at the beginning stage of an AU Instrument.

You're right as well, if the original OP doesn't want to use or sees no use for the Enviroment in his workflow, it sounds like Reaper is a better choice for him. One advantage is using a VST which Logic doesn't support.

[kitkonis]

Now here is a thing.
The truth.

If users would first download reaper and test it 1 month, this topic would have only a few pages.. or 100 pages of post like -> WOW REAPER ROX.

But remember you need at least a half year to became really "integrated" with reaper. I could teach how to use reaper, I could teach many tricks now. I work so fast, I cant imagine to work so fast with other programs. I tryed a lot of themes too but I think reaper default theme (3.0) is the best.

Ok sometimes i end up in a mess but reaper is so well structured that I can survive in a 400 track project. Dont ask me why I can end up with 300 tracks, I like to experiment a lot.

And again, if you dont work with dual or triple monitors, reaper is perfect for one monitor work.. I never liked cascaded windows.. :\

If I would have cash I would buy only one high res. 28" or 32" monitor and that is it

[gabebrunogarza1021]

But remember you need at least a half year to became really "integrated" with "Stick name of DAW Here"

Truth be told, this is for any DAW.

If I would have cash I would buy only one high res. 28" or 32" monitor and that is it

iMac baby

[kitkonis]

But remember you need at least a half year to became really "integrated" with "Stick name of DAW Here"

Truth be told, this is for any DAW.

If I would have cash I would buy only one high res. 28" or 32" monitor and that is it

iMac baby

hahaha! not for ejay

[hibidy]

Now here is a thing.
The truth.

If users would first download reaper and test it 1 month, this topic would have only a few pages

Clearly you don't understand those of us who have had it for some time. I didn't have much in the way of issues until recently. I don't think your comment is valid at all other than for a small group of people.

[h2ogun99]

As far as the "what would I miss" question... yeah. When people ask me that the question I ask in return is "what do you use there now?". He won't miss the environment if he doesn't use it like someone who doesn't use the logical editor in Cubase wouldn't miss it either.

But yeah, the environment sounds like something that should be explored by midi guys using Logic for sure.

Again, I'm not knocking Reaper, Cubase, ProTools.
Once people pick thier DAW, explore it and see what it can do.
If Reaper is your DAW stick with it, Logic stick with it.

I know people also mention that AU Instruments can't output MIDI like a VST can which is totally true (right now), but then when you talk about The Enviroment, does it at that point matter that an AU Instrument can't output MIDI after seeing the videos I'm posting and showing how the Enviroment can work with MIDI.

I said right now because it turns out that the SDK now supports that which I'm looking into. I think the host (Logic) has to support it as well, but I'm just at the beginning stage of an AU Instrument.

You're right as well, if the original OP doesn't want to use or sees no use for the Enviroment in his workflow, it sounds like Reaper is a better choice for him. One advantage is using a VST which Logic doesn't support.

Wow, me email was not letting me know the discussion was continuing. Sorry about that.

Yes, The Environment looks wonderful and was not something I was completely aware of. I don't find it something I think I will jump into, amazing as it is. Curious here, take a wild guess and tell me the % of serious Logic users out there that are using The Environment? Wondering if this is being used more that we know, or it is something few choose to jump into.

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[h2ogun99]

Now here is a thing.
The truth.

If users would first download reaper and test it 1 month, this topic would have only a few pages.. or 100 pages of post like -> WOW REAPER ROX.

But remember you need at least a half year to became really "integrated" with reaper. I could teach how to use reaper, I could teach many tricks now. I work so fast, I cant imagine to work so fast with other programs. I tryed a lot of themes too but I think reaper default theme (3.0) is the best.

Ok sometimes i end up in a mess but reaper is so well structured that I can survive in a 400 track project. Dont ask me why I can end up with 300 tracks, I like to experiment a lot.

And again, if you dont work with dual or triple monitors, reaper is perfect for one monitor work.. I never liked cascaded windows.. :\

If I would have cash I would buy only one high res. 28" or 32" monitor and that is it

I agree, and grateful for the conversation with everyone thus far. I'm hellbent on giving Reaper a real trial, and so far it had been a joy. After watching the tutorials, I'm now about 280 pages into the manual reading it, trying it, reading it, trying it. Takes a while, but this is really the only way to give it a fair shake. Sure I have ran across a few things (flex time editing) that I will have to take a different approach to, but other parts are a breath of fresh air.


I still would love small list of key midi features that Reaper does not share with Logic. Would be informative for sure.

I have Reaper on two monitors and I love it. Not to say I didn't with Logic, yet the Docker gives me some good arrangement options.

The Media Explorer is well done, and I have found myself organizing old dusty sample collection folders. I don't really use loops per se, but with the FX on clips, I might just dig around and grab some little parts here and there to add some sprinkles on my cake.

L

Can I be a proud Dad for a second? My oldest turned 16 today... damn I feel old (41). He is a budding composer. About three years ago he asked for a copy of Finale. We got him the cheapy version knowing this would more than likely collect dust in time. Ever since then he spends his days and nights composing. No xbox, or hours texting. He just finished something cool. He did a 12min version of the whole Depeche Mode album "Music for the Masses". It was arranged for 4 mallet players to play. He calls is "Mallet for the Masses" and it is quite good. When school starts back in a few weeks he has the 4 players lined up to start learning it. Once it is ready to perform I will video it and share.

Sorry for the Off Topic, but had to share with someone...hahaha

[revo11]

Now here is a thing.

Can I be a proud Dad for a second? My oldest turned 16 today... damn I feel old (41). He is a budding composer. About three years ago he asked for a copy of Finale. We got him the cheapy version knowing this would more than likely collect dust in time. Ever since then he spends his days and nights composing. No xbox, or hours texting. He just finished something cool. He did a 12min version of the whole Depeche Mode album "Music for the Masses". It was arranged for 4 mallet players to play. He calls is "Mallet for the Masses" and it is quite good. When school starts back in a few weeks he has the 4 players lined up to start learning it. Once it is ready to perform I will video it and share.

Sorry for the Off Topic, but had to share with someone...hahaha

Congratulations, you've won at parenting

I'm amazed kids ever accomplish anything creative anymore considering the intensity of the available distractions.

Now back to our regularly scheduled pissing contest...

[Tricky-Loops]

Can I be a proud Dad for a second? My oldest turned 16 today... damn I feel old (41). He is a budding composer. About three years ago he asked for a copy of Finale. We got him the cheapy version knowing this would more than likely collect dust in time. Ever since then he spends his days and nights composing. No xbox, or hours texting. He just finished something cool. He did a 12min version of the whole Depeche Mode album "Music for the Masses". It was arranged for 4 mallet players to play. He calls is "Mallet for the Masses" and it is quite good. When school starts back in a few weeks he has the 4 players lined up to start learning it. Once it is ready to perform I will video it and share.

Sorry for the Off Topic, but had to share with someone...hahaha

Can I order you as my dad? (Sorry, I'm too old with my 36 years)

Seriously, my own dad didn't and doesn't support me in any way. He rather wants to stop me from making music. He doesn't play any instrument or something; making music is only crap for him. And I don't have any relative who is interested in (making) music, so it's like living in a sonic desert...

Sorry for the Off Topic, but had to share with someone, like you...

[h2ogun99]

Congratulations, you've won at parenting

I'm amazed kids ever accomplish anything creative anymore considering the intensity of the available distractions.

Ha, I have three other kids too. Being the human that I am, I fail as much as I win.... or more.

Can I order you as my dad?

If you have tons of gear to bring along... hehehe

I'm with you, it is hard sharing what you love with family. I've always been disappointed when I do.


Turning back to Reaper, when my band plays live we use backing tracks. One thing I would love to do is have a track for my vocals to sing through. Once FX are added, could they be automated when needed during the song? See any issues with that? I tried that a while back during a practice with Logic, but the mic was way to hot, and feedback shut that idea down real quick. Would love to open the book on that again. (not that that was Logics doing)

[Tricky-Loops]

Turning back to Reaper, when my band plays live we use backing tracks. One thing I would love to do is have a track for my vocals to sing through. Once FX are added, could they be automated when needed during the song? See any issues with that? I tried that a while back during a practice with Logic, but the mic was way to hot, and feedback shut that idea down real quick. Would love to open the book on that again. (not that that was Logics doing)

I think with MIDI Learn this should be possible. But you would need a controller during the live event to assign the MIDI CC to the effect parameters.

However, for things like this, wouldn't be an audio software like Usine be more suitable? I quote from the Usine homepage: "Usine is a universal audio software especially designed for live or studio utilization".

[hibidy]

probably just me, but I've found that using "midi control" in hosts in general is a crap shoot. I'm not "midi cc" savvy enough to understand how to just have the one thing midi controlled instead of a bunch of crap I DON'T want controlled by midi cc's. I want to hit the button, hit learn, and be done with the ONE thing, not have to learn how to program from scratch to DE-learn a bunch of other shit