KVR Audio

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:38 pm

breakmixer wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:So I guess Plugiator or whatever will run it... I'm not sure what that format actually is, but even so it seems like it would still be a good chunk of cash when you bought the software too. What... like $700?
There's no format, it's a hardware synth. There are VST editors for it but it can be used without them. It's $381.65 including the Minimax, B4000, Vocoder, and Lightwave, and it'd cost another $100 if you want to add the Pro-12 and Prodyssey.
I assume you mean this?

http://jrrshop.com/catalog/audio-plugiator-p-7631.html

There's no mention at all of it coming with any software at all... the one that seemingly comes with software is listed at $599.

http://jrrshop.com/catalog/audio-plugia ... -9101.html
it comes with Minimax, B4000, Vocoder and Lightwave as standard, standalone editor and vsts, the other comes with extras Pro-12, Fmagia, different vocoder and Proddesey - which normally you have to buy seperately.

Oh, OK. They really should update the copy on their site. Still unsure about it though. I haven't dug too deep but I haven't been able to really find an audio demo that thrilled me.

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:17 am

V0RT3X wrote:I think this will be in serious demand for electro house producers when its released. Just a hunch..

I really think the Bass sounds from this are nuts!

Yeah, just wait till you play with it. They've confirmed that the filters are indeed zero delay feedback, as well, which I strongly suspected from the get go. To say this sounds 'good' or even 'excellent' is really an understatement. It's for sure Diva territory. There are some really, really great sounding virtual instruments being made these days. So good sounding, in fact, that I'm caring less and less about direct hardware emulation all the time. DSP is the future, and I've felt this way for a long time now. These algorithms are going to keep getting more and more sophisticated and pyschoacoustically tuned as time goes on.

I'm very, very excited about the future of electronic music. I also picked up 2C Audio's B2 on special recently, and this is but another example of where things are headed. WORLD CLASS sound.

Between Lush, Diva, Alchemy, Omnisphere, B2, Alchemist... the list goes on and on... point is, I'm set in terms of software for a while. I can just geek out for hours and hours and hours in front of my studio computer now, wanting for nothing outboard.

Spectacular sound is spectacular sound. It doesn't matter from whence it originates. If you're confident in your ability to discern, go with that, and stop imagining owning a real minimoog is somehow gonna make you Keith Emerson or something. It ain't, and music will be moving forward without you if you blow all your cash on feature-limited hardware. If you take time to really get to KNOW this stuff that is coming out, I guarantee you you'll want to shut up start actually letting whatever innate talent you have take over and blossom. Now is the time, and computers are where things are right now. This will only continue.

Nothing wrong with hardware if you have it... I'm just saying, you can either be an incorrigible gearslut, or you can be a prolific musician. Choose wisely.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:31 am

DrWashington wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:I think this will be in serious demand for electro house producers when its released. Just a hunch..

I really think the Bass sounds from this are nuts!
Yeah, just wait till you play with it. They've confirmed that the filters are indeed zero delay feedback, as well, which I strongly suspected from the get go. To say this sounds 'good' or even 'excellent' is really an understatement. It's for sure Diva territory. There are some really, really great sounding virtual instruments being made these days. So good sounding, in fact, that I'm caring less and less about direct hardware emulation all the time. DSP is the future, and I've felt this way for a long time now. These algorithms are going to keep getting more and more sophisticated and pyschoacoustically tuned as time goes on.

It's funny, but these days, any synth that talks about being low cpu I lose interest in. THe kind of sound quality you are talking about takes cpu cycles.

I am looking forward to trying Lush.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:36 am

pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:I think this will be in serious demand for electro house producers when its released. Just a hunch..

I really think the Bass sounds from this are nuts!
Yeah, just wait till you play with it. They've confirmed that the filters are indeed zero delay feedback, as well, which I strongly suspected from the get go. To say this sounds 'good' or even 'excellent' is really an understatement. It's for sure Diva territory. There are some really, really great sounding virtual instruments being made these days. So good sounding, in fact, that I'm caring less and less about direct hardware emulation all the time. DSP is the future, and I've felt this way for a long time now. These algorithms are going to keep getting more and more sophisticated and pyschoacoustically tuned as time goes on.
It's funny, but these days, any synth that talks about being low cpu I lose interest in. THe kind of sound quality you are talking about takes cpu cycles.

I am looking forward to trying Lush.

Not always the case, for instance Sylenth1 and Saurus have a lower CPU usage.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:12 am

Examigan wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
DrWashington wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:I think this will be in serious demand for electro house producers when its released. Just a hunch..

I really think the Bass sounds from this are nuts!
Yeah, just wait till you play with it. They've confirmed that the filters are indeed zero delay feedback, as well, which I strongly suspected from the get go. To say this sounds 'good' or even 'excellent' is really an understatement. It's for sure Diva territory. There are some really, really great sounding virtual instruments being made these days. So good sounding, in fact, that I'm caring less and less about direct hardware emulation all the time. DSP is the future, and I've felt this way for a long time now. These algorithms are going to keep getting more and more sophisticated and pyschoacoustically tuned as time goes on.
It's funny, but these days, any synth that talks about being low cpu I lose interest in. THe kind of sound quality you are talking about takes cpu cycles.

I am looking forward to trying Lush.

Not always the case, for instance Sylenth1 and Saurus have a lower CPU usage.

And neither of them have a sound quality similar to Diva or Lush (assuming DrWashington is correct) with similar features...

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:07 pm

TAL-Uno-LX is the most successful Native emulation of a hardware Analog synth.
http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/tal-u-no-lx

Sonic Projects OP-X comes very close to the hardware Oberheim.

mclane · Post by **mclane** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:58 pm

OP-X Pro II is even closer imho:

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:38 pm

Its the same sound engine with extra parameters beyond the Oberheim OB-X.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:55 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Examigan wrote:
Not always the case, for instance Sylenth1 and Saurus have a lower CPU usage.
And neither of them have a sound quality similar to Diva or Lush (assuming DrWashington is correct) with similar features...

There is no "absolute" way of measurement for sound quality. Either you like the sound or not independent of "technical blah blah" like 0df filters etc.
Personally i prefer Saurus over Diva any day (btw Saurus got 0df filters too...) while i agree Diva got a nice sound on it's own. In fact both are different enough to make a 1:1 comparison unnecessary or impossible.
One thing i already complained several times is why could people not judge a synth based on it's own sound and features. Why do people always have to compare any synth to Diva, especially if that synth maybe is not even close in terms of features?

I'll not judge about LuSH-101 until i get the opportunity to check the demo myself. The audio demos are not really all to my taste as they show too much of the advanced features but only few of the raw "basic" analog sounds of a real SH-101. Some of the audio demos sound like they are heavily processed. I would have preferred some more "dry" and/or single preset demos, especially for the SH-101 like sounds.

If you think that i don't like the D16 plugins you are wrong. Recently i got both Drumazon and Phoscyon which both are awesome IMO.

Ingo

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:11 pm

The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast rule amended: if YOU can't hear any qualitative differences between synths, then neither will your listeners.

Looking forward to trying out his Lushness. Finally, a synth that can hope to compete with Diva! Ahhhh, DIVA! DIVA! Say it loud and there's music playing... say it soft and it's almost like praying... DIVA! I just met a girl named DIVA!!!

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:26 pm

ariston wrote:The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast rule amended: if YOU can't hear any qualitative differences between synths, then neither will your listeners.

That's one of the silliest thing I've ever read. I downloaded some patches made by heavy metal guys who obviously have lost most of their high frequency hearing. I'm sure I'm hearing something very different than what they hear when they made those guitar patches.

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:29 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
ariston wrote:The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast rule amended: if YOU can't hear any qualitative differences between synths, then neither will your listeners.
That's one of the silliest thing I've ever read. I downloaded some patches made by heavy metal guys who obviously have lost most of their high frequency hearing. I'm sure I'm hearing something very different than what they hear when they made those guitar patches.

Taking that remark seriously is one of the silliest things I've ever read. It was meant to be a good-natured punch in the ribs aimed at ol' Ingo and his Diva fixation.

elipsis1 · Post by **elipsis1** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:12 pm

The audio demos on the page are excellent.

Hopefully d16 will give a nice price break to those who own a lot of their products, I guess we shall see.

This thing sounds great.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:14 pm

ariston wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
ariston wrote:The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast rule amended: if YOU can't hear any qualitative differences between synths, then neither will your listeners.
That's one of the silliest thing I've ever read. I downloaded some patches made by heavy metal guys who obviously have lost most of their high frequency hearing. I'm sure I'm hearing something very different than what they hear when they made those guitar patches.
Taking that remark seriously is one of the silliest things I've ever read. It was meant to be a good-natured punch in the ribs aimed at ol' Ingo and his Diva fixation.

Underestimating the stupidity of things you read on the internet is also a silly thing to do. Next time use the appropriate Emoticon, such as

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:37 pm

DrWashington wrote:Let me just say that for straight up quality VAs, this and Diva are about it for me at the moment.

Woah!

Yes, the CPU hit can be heavy, depending on the preset (how many layers, especially).

Bummer. I think I just need to get used to resampling in Maschine.