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Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:05 pm

wagtunes wrote:Um, yeah, I am. You think Harmor is the only additive synth I've ever worked on?

Sorry, i can't take your serious anymore. You come along here and call my sounds "basic" and easy to replicate in Harmor but fail with the modulations (which is a proof that you are using Harmor just since some days).

So please learn the synth first and do not act like "i know them all"!

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:23 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Um, yeah, I am. You think Harmor is the only additive synth I've ever worked on?
Sorry, i can't take your serious anymore. You come along here and call my sounds "basic" and easy to replicate in Harmor but fail with the modulations (which is a proof that you are using Harmor just since some days).

So please learn the synth first and do not act like "i know them all"!

You know absolutely nothing about me nor my knowledge of synths and yet here you go making all kinds of assumptions.

I will leave it at that. View my expertise or lack of it however you prefer. Makes no difference to me.

spidergod · Post by **spidergod** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:34 pm

No the argument has started again

I have not even started testing harmor yet, this thread keeps on dragging me back.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:37 pm

spidergod wrote:No the argument has started again

I have not even started testing harmor yet, this thread keeps on dragging me back.

There will be no more arguing on my part anyway. I've learned who to simply ignore.

spidergod · Post by **spidergod** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:50 pm

wagtunes wrote:
spidergod wrote:No the argument has started again

I have not even started testing harmor yet, this thread keeps on dragging me back.
There will be no more arguing on my part anyway. I've learned who to simply ignore.

I must admit it was quite amusing as it seemed to go around in circles

I am still trying to work out why folks want music creation to be hard and difficult - e.g you get the preset elitists that hate anyone using a preset (from the included synth banks or bought ones) and insist all sounds must be programmed by hand.

I love presets and have bought quite a few preset packs (mainly for alchemy), I also love tweaking with those bought presets either simply by changing the samples used or delving in deeper and changing the tunings and how the osc's work.

I find the fiddle and experiment side of things with synths amazing.

I also love spectral synthesis synth options and I do love importing images and seeing what I can create.

I am very tempted to purchase 2c Audios kaleidoscope as that looks like the bees knees for spectral experimenting.

cheers

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:56 pm

wagtunes wrote:You know absolutely nothing about me nor my knowledge of synths and yet here you go making all kinds of assumptions.

I don't care what you did in the past and how many synths you own. I just judge you by the statements about Harmor! And it's a little bit strange to come along and talk big about a synth (and your skills of it) you just don't know.

Some homework for you: http://www.wildfunk.com/DHStab.mp3

A "basic" deep house stab... i'm sure you are able to recreate it exactly

Hint: No resynthesis/modulations have been used, the osc is a saw and i can play this stab with one finger

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:59 pm

spidergod wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
spidergod wrote:No the argument has started again

I have not even started testing harmor yet, this thread keeps on dragging me back.
There will be no more arguing on my part anyway. I've learned who to simply ignore.

I must admit it was quite amusing as it seemed to go around in circles

I am still trying to work out why folks want music creation to be hard and difficult - e.g you get the preset elitists that hate anyone using a preset (from the included synth banks or bought ones) and insist all sounds must be programmed by hand.

I love presets and have bought quite a few preset packs (mainly for alchemy), I also love tweaking with those bought presets either simply by changing the samples used or delving in deeper and changing the tunings and how the osc's work.

I find the fiddle and experiment side of things with synths amazing.

I also love spectral synthesis synth options and I do love importing images and seeing what I can create.

I am very tempted to purchase 2c Audios kaleidoscope as that looks like the bees knees for spectral experimenting.

cheers

My thoughts on sounds to be used for music are simple.

What sound am I looking for? What synth do I think can best give me that sound? Is there a preset that's close enough that a small tweak will do it? If not, I program from scratch.

Sometimes a synth has a sound that is just perfect for what I want to do. No need to reinvent the wheel if you already have one.

Actually, most of my programming is for the sole purpose of releasing 3rd party libraries. I try to make patches that I would use myself, but for the most part, patch creation is a business for me.

In fact, these days, I do very little with my own music as I simply don't have the time.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:22 pm

For the record, I never called anybody's sounds here "basic" in the context of "so simple a monkey could make them." But some sounds are fairly common place among certain genres and because of that, I would call them "basic" not so much for how complex they are to make but how "common" they are for the genre in question.

I hope that clears up anything that might have sounded derogatory on my part.

And with that, I will take leave of this thread until somebody else has something of value to add or a question that I can answer. While Harmor is "new" to me, I've been around enough synths to pretty much have this figured out, which is why I commented on the modulation scheme. It's not one I like and seems to be common in a few synths. I prefer the way synths like Zebra 2 handles modulation. They give you the option of X/Y or hard coded modulation routings like mod wheel. That's the way synths SHOULD be IMO.

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:56 pm

You don't need the complexity of Harmor to create those cheesy cheap sounds. It's totally overkill.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:11 pm

Neon Breath wrote:You don't need the complexity of Harmor to create those cheesy cheap sounds. It's totally overkill.

In all fairness, you don't need a lot of synths to create some of the basic sounds that you find in various genres. But there is still a place for those sounds in those genres. And if a synth is capable of making them, why not? Maybe if designers created libraries for more "general" use, they would become more popular and in turn make the synth itself more popular. A lot of times, somebody doesn't buy a synth simply because the presets don't provide the sounds that they need for the music they want to produce. If this was corrected, a lot of people would buy those synths and maybe take the time to dive deeper into them in order to discover the "other" things those synths were capable of going.

It certainly couldn't hurt.

One man's cheesy is another man's bread and butter.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:16 pm

Neon Breath wrote:You don't need the complexity of Harmor to create those cheesy cheap sounds. It's totally overkill.

Wouldn't have worded it so drastic, but there's certainly a point to it... the last sound demo you'd probably be able to easily replicate with FM, and bangy envelopes. No real magic about it. That said, there's some nice sounds you made with Harmor Wildfunk, no doubt about it. But i don't see them in any way restricted to additive synthesis, or this particular synth. All stuff you can also create with wavetable/VA style synthies IMO. Unless there's really sampling involved of course.

But hey, each to its like. I also took a look into Harmor, as the price was attractive. But i was really scared off by the interface. Not really something i'd like to handle... surely a good sounding plugin though.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:29 pm

What do you guys think Image-Line needs to do to make Harmor more appealing to a wider audience? Or is that either not possible given the kind of synth it is or their goal in the first place?

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:04 pm

i think, we can start a new harmor topic without bashing, no?
and for close it:

Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?
YEs Harmor resynthesise so well but sometimes a sampler with a lot of process is good too:).
for me it's not the main power of harmor.
you can demoing alchemy, euh, no, it's over...
or Loom or virsyn, razor..... and listen,
do what you want but don't make a tiny war about it
let's speak about the differents filters,oct,hz, the custom unisson, the blur......

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:16 pm

I'm programming synths since 1888!

Seriously, there are 2 things missing in Harmor: first a better manual (not only the rather short CHM help file) with in-depth explanations of all modulations and second instead of this MIDI Learn it would be easier if you could right-click a parameter and assign a MIDI CC to it, for example for the Modulation Wheel, or if there were a window where you could assign all 128 MIDI CC to the parameters.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:23 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:Seriously, there are 2 things missing in Harmor: first a better manual

Maybe the "lost" manual in your language helps a little bit more to understand Harmor

http://www12.zippyshare.com/v/mCAY7a0v/file.html