Don't really care if they do or don't. I'm just saying stability is pretty much the same across DAWs. It just depends on if your use case pushes one of the magic buttons. I have zero crashes in Cubase and I run 1000 track orchestra templates with dozens and dozens of plugins loaded, warped tracks, tempo changes, multi-time signature changes and often a video track. No crashes.EvilDragon wrote:That could also be VEP's problem... do they officially support Reaper, even?
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
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- KVRAF
- 24417 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
You might not care, but if they don't officially support Reaper's handling of VSTs (as every DAW has its own idiosyncracies with regards to that), then you can't point fingers at Reaper. See Guenon's post above, his example is pretty hardcore (having Reaper turned on for DAYS... I never heard anyone else doing that!), so if THAT doesn't crash, it's obviously VEP's fault. So firewall the VEP plugin?
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- KVRAF
- 1950 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
Cool, I started out some time after you, but it was on trackers in the 90s as well. And started using plugin instruments literally right away after the standard was bornTHE INTRANCER wrote:No, that's been my experience, my own experience with music creation programs on computers dates back 1986/87 with an Atari 800 XL...before using Atari ST midi sequencers and Amiga trackers in the 1990's...just for reference.
. My opinion on Reaper is, as is evident from the above, very different from yours, of course. I usually describe it as a power user "audio hacker" DAW, as it has been so dependable and powerful in my experience. Switched from Studio One that had many usability issues and weird restrictions in my opinion, and Reaper clicked with me right away. The other important DAW for me, and the one that I have most history with, is Ableton Live, I've been using it for about 14-15 years now. It's nowadays the "secondary but very important" DAW environment for me, an alternative I still use to this day and plan on upgrading to version 10, heh.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I wasn't pointing fingers. I was giving an example. Reaper is no more/less stable than any other DAW if you use them within the scope of their supported environments.
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- KVRAF
- 24417 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Well, disagreed. It's been far more stable than any other DAW I've tried, and I did all the same things in all of them.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I don't have problems with any of them even with extreme project size. Just don't push the red button.EvilDragon wrote:Well, disagreed. It's been far more stable than any other DAW I've tried, and I did all the same things in all of them.
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- KVRAF
- 24417 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328 - KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
I think it depends on how you define stability. I've only had Reaper crash once ever... but I've had some really weird things happen that don't affect the project directly, but do require a restart or some troubleshooting time.EvilDragon wrote:Well, disagreed. It's been far more stable than any other DAW I've tried, and I did all the same things in all of them.
Plus there's the situation with having many commands that seem to do the same thing, but don't. Very subtle differences in things that may seem like bugs to users that don't care to dig deeper. I know that certainly irked me a lot when learning Reaper.
Of course I think that's a much better situation than just crashing, but I can see how some people may encounter some of reaper's oddities and think it's 'not stable'.
Either way... as far as I can see, any actual crash bug that is reported properly gets fixed very quickly.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I am not saying Reaper is unstable. I'm saying that the idea that other hosts are more unstable is way overblown.
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Robert Randolph Robert Randolph https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7328
- KVRAF
- 2226 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Yeah, I agree with that.SJ_Digriz wrote:I am not saying Reaper is unstable. I'm saying that the idea that other hosts are more unstable is way overblown.
I think the only difference is that Reaper will let you do some really stupid things before it crashes. When you do stupid things in other software, you're more likely to get punished with a crash.
Anyway, don't push the button and you're fine.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Also, performance is a curious comparison as well. I can run a larger project at lower latency in Cubase than I can in Reaper. However, if you ran Reaper at the effective buffer settings of ASIO Guard, then I can get a slightly larger number of plugins loaded in Reaper. So, performance is dependent on what you functionally want to accomplish. For me, ASIO Guard configuration provides greater performance during writing and mixing. But, Reaper is probably more efficient for Mastering .. but I either fake my way through that in Wavelab, or send to someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
THIS is why people hate the fanaticism, exactly this.EvilDragon wrote:Well, disagreed. It's been far more stable than any other DAW I've tried, and I did all the same things in all of them.
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- KVRAF
- 35675 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Me too. The only host i had crashing more than once here was Sonar X1. And Studio One 3, on MacOS High Sierra. I expect the latter to be fixed by now, though.Robert Randolph wrote:Yeah, I agree with that.SJ_Digriz wrote:I am not saying Reaper is unstable. I'm saying that the idea that other hosts are more unstable is way overblown.
Reaper was always very stable here too. Can't say that it was "the most stable" though, or anything. It's all very stable software, as far as i'm concerned, because stability is a must for professional software.-
- KVRAF
- 5666 posts since 23 Mar, 2006 from pendeLondonmonium
Ha! We do it too! I have Reaper pretty much 'on' with many tabs open all the time on our 'master' iMac .EvilDragon wrote:See Guenon's post above, his example is pretty hardcore (having Reaper turned on for DAYS... I never heard anyone else doing that!), so if THAT doesn't crash, it's obviously VEP's fault. So firewall the VEP plugin?
At the end of the day, I put the Mac to sleep with Reaper and all the projects open, come back the next day, and start working immediately (just need to 'awake' the soundcard drivers). No issues.
However, I have experienced crashes at home on my Macbook. Although, I can not be certain as to what has caused the few crashes I've had (I rarely investigate crashes due to the workload I have, anyway....). I do know for a fact that I consistently max out RAM on my Macbook and have had issues connected with that. This should be helped very soon, though, as there's extra RAM waiting for me as I write this....
Thank god this is the older Mac which can be expanded. Pheew! 