The sample data that comes with the plugin is common to every entrant, and a part of the realm of possibilities of that synth package, unchanged from one entrant to the next. Especially when there's such a small selection of sample material, it's quite obvious if someone just plays back something from the sample pool and calls it a dayzarf wrote:If the rule is to be 'Any factory content is fine' then of course happy to go with that, while asking the question: why are factory samples OK, but my samples not - seeing as if we do that we are already not just using the synthesis capabilities of the synth...
One Synth Challenge #108: Diodow by HrastProgrammer (Schiing Wins!)
- KVRAF
- 1950 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
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- KVRian
- 801 posts since 1 Dec, 2016
Yes, this synth is way more than capable for pure synthesis. I'm just saying for those folks that may need to go the sample/wavetable route, just make sure they are freely available. But before you do, at least make an honest attempt to synth it it up!
I haven't used a sample or preset in 10+ years and don't plan to change that....probably why my songs are just shy of decent. lol. But I can always say, "I made that from scratch, can you?"
I haven't used a sample or preset in 10+ years and don't plan to change that....probably why my songs are just shy of decent. lol. But I can always say, "I made that from scratch, can you?"
Just a touch of EQ and a tickle of compression
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- KVRian
- 648 posts since 20 Jan, 2013
What you say makes a lot of sense to me and very happy to go with that approach. Very happy this month - as some of those presets that use samples are beautiful!Guenon wrote:The sample data that comes with the plugin is common to every entrant, and a part of the realm of possibilities of that synth package, unchanged from one entrant to the next. Especially when there's such a small selection of sample material, it's quite obvious if someone just plays back something from the sample pool and calls it a dayzarf wrote:If the rule is to be 'Any factory content is fine' then of course happy to go with that, while asking the question: why are factory samples OK, but my samples not - seeing as if we do that we are already not just using the synthesis capabilities of the synth.... Instead, it's there as one piece of the challenge, and a level playing field for all, using that one synth in its default installation and the stuff that comes with it. If it was okay to import any audio, everyone would be free to craft any audio at all, from anywhere using any tools possible, and the "one synth" aspect would be lost. The factory content is a part of that "one synth" package that is available to everyone using it to their best potential, importing any audio from anywhere reaches outside that known space.
Can also see the 'pure synthesis' only point of view too.
Happily waiting for wiser people with more authority to decide
- KVRAF
- 22876 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
If you look at the top of this forum, you will notice the previous two OSCs are always at the top. That's because they're pinned there, or what we call "sticky" threads. Normally, when a new OSC starts, the oldest one gets unpinned and the newest one gets pinned. We're 4 days into this and it still hasn't happened.TheNeverScene wrote:Pinned to what? Not being a knucklehead, just not sure what you mean.wagtunes wrote:By the way, where is he? It's February 4th and this thread still hasn't been pinned. Something's up.
- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Meh... it's a difficult discussion, isn't it. I would be thrilled to have an OSC with the ESQ-1, for example, which is virtually based on whole sample loops, but there's something distinct about it.
This one here, though, does not have a distinct character for the samples, making it not really a showcase of the synth to feature it's capabilities. And, again, Thorn only had samples for the "noise" generator and those made a vital part of its sound, showcasing what it does in its way, but still dominated by the rest of its powers.
Because I'm really, really a peace loving being, I'd say:"screw it, let's have them samples"... but, well, I'm not thrilled about it.
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PAHAHA, danged, zarf and I on the same mindset, hahaha... you guys were posting while I was writing.
This one here, though, does not have a distinct character for the samples, making it not really a showcase of the synth to feature it's capabilities. And, again, Thorn only had samples for the "noise" generator and those made a vital part of its sound, showcasing what it does in its way, but still dominated by the rest of its powers.
Because I'm really, really a peace loving being, I'd say:"screw it, let's have them samples"... but, well, I'm not thrilled about it.
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PAHAHA, danged, zarf and I on the same mindset, hahaha... you guys were posting while I was writing.
- KVRAF
- 1950 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
Yeah, I'm happy with either ruling ideology, really, haha. Have to wait for the official word. I'm just reasoning out loud why I think the "factory content is okay" viewpoint would be consistent and nice, in this case, in these recent times, in my opinion, hmm hmmm mmhhzarf wrote:What you say makes a lot of sense to me and very happy to go with that approach. Very happy this month - as some of those presets that use samples are beautiful!
Can also see the 'pure synthesis' only point of view too.
Happily waiting for wiser people with more authority to decide
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generaldiomedes generaldiomedes https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=396947
- KVRian
- 674 posts since 15 Apr, 2017 from Canada
I think it was more problematic for OSC 98 because a synth like Omnisphere has such a breadth of sample based patches that you could make a track that frankly sounds nothing like a synthesizer.Guenon wrote: The sample data that comes with the plugin is common to every entrant, and a part of the realm of possibilities of that synth package, unchanged from one entrant to the next. Especially when there's such a small selection of sample material
The way the OSC rules are written doesn't help much either.
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- KVRAF
- 22876 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I'm fine with whatever the powers that be decide, either way. But a decision would be nice to have soon as it's already the 4th.Taron wrote:Meh... it's a difficult discussion, isn't it. I would be thrilled to have an OSC with the ESQ-1, for example, which is virtually based on whole sample loops, but there's something distinct about it.
This one here, though, does not have a distinct character for the samples, making it not really a showcase of the synth to feature it's capabilities. And, again, Thorn only had samples for the "noise" generator and those made a vital part of its sound, showcasing what it does in its way, but still dominated by the rest of its powers.
Because I'm really, really a peace loving being, I'd say:"screw it, let's have them samples"... but, well, I'm not thrilled about it.
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PAHAHA, danged, zarf and I on the same mindset, hahaha... you guys were posting while I was writing.
Has BJ been kidnapped?
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- KVRian
- 801 posts since 1 Dec, 2016
LMFAO!!!!!! Guenon has my vote for best sense of humor, video skills, and all around oddness when it comes to artsy-fartsiness
Taron has my vote for all around insane synthesis and total nerdiness. It's a win win!
Meanwhile, screw a sample and preset...politely of course.
Meanwhile, screw a sample and preset...politely of course.
Just a touch of EQ and a tickle of compression
- KVRAF
- 1950 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
Yeah, absolutely. (Heh, incidentally, in most of my OSC tunes I've enjoyed it very much when there is no sample in sight, the synth is a straight "realtime DSP only" kind of a thing, and I then try to go out of my way to brute force some elements into it that sound like someone just threw in a samplegeneraldiomedes wrote:I think it was more problematic for OSC 98 because a synth like Omnisphere has such a breadth of sample based patches that you could make a track that frankly sounds nothing like a synthesizer.
- KVRAF
- 1950 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
HahaTheNeverScene wrote:LMFAO!!!!!! Guenon has my vote for best sense of humor, video skills, and all around oddness when it comes to artsy-fartsinessTaron has my vote for all around insane synthesis and total nerdiness. It's a win win!
- KVRist
- 335 posts since 12 Aug, 2016
I seems more the same to me.zarf wrote: Converting arbitrary samples to wavetables seems different to me. (very different quality)
In either situation the synth ends up producing a sound it was not capable of producing in it's shipped state and that is pre any effects layered on top.
Having a sliced up set of samples as a wavetable still involves samples that all participants do not have equal access to unless it shipped with the synth
So I lump external wavetables with external samples in things that shouldn't be used even if they are technically different.
But I also understand how one might view it differently.
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- KVRian
- 648 posts since 20 Jan, 2013
Yeah, it is all grey lines!
I suppose the difference is : high quality samples playing basically means the synth is a sampler - which means that you can play anything!
Whereas, converting external samples to a limited internal wavetable - well, actually, the synth *is* capable of producing that sound, the sample is just a way of configuring the synth's parameters and settings...
Does that make any sense?
Either way - no big deal
I suppose the difference is : high quality samples playing basically means the synth is a sampler - which means that you can play anything!
Whereas, converting external samples to a limited internal wavetable - well, actually, the synth *is* capable of producing that sound, the sample is just a way of configuring the synth's parameters and settings...
Does that make any sense?
Either way - no big deal
