Logic Pro 11 will be releasing later this year ? ?, are we expecting any major upgrades 10.5 ?

[george]

But I needed 2000 tracks at once. So disappointed with Apple (goes back to the 4 track song)

[colonel_mustard]

I opened up Logic's demo song yesterday, surprised and thrilled to see that it was a genuine pop song by Beck ('Colors'), and was overwhelmed by the 127 tracks. I think it's 127. Mixing takes me forever with a small project.

I get the point, though, of the computer not being the weak link in the chain.

[mrj1nx]

im wondering how ultrabeat will look on 6k monitor

Well from what I can tell on a 5K it's not going to be pretty That said I still use it in every project, just try to keep from having to use the crazy UI.

[jacqueslacouth]

These are going to sell like hot cakes...

Total Cost

Even if the maxed out modular Mac Pro comes in on the cheaper side of The Verge’s estimate (say $12k for the upgraded GPUs instead of $24k) and you don’t opt for Apple’s Afterburner upgrade, this setup could top $50,000. On the other hand, if it leans toward the pricier end, it’s possible it could land over $60,000. (9to5mac.com)

Which in Banana Republic Dollars comes in at around $85,000!!!! I'll take 2

[Ploki]

Get the latest Mac Mini...

I don't like the iMac cause the fans are too close to my ears. I have the Mac Mini tucked under the desk and it is quiet.

my reasoning exactly, and audio runs amazing on it, no overloaded GPU to bog it down.
Apple really stepped up lately, mac mini 2018 for audio, Mac pro 2019 for video

[Bombadil]

My experience with a 2011 mini-server was the exact opposite. It became completely unuseable due to the fan,which would get too loud to play music on iTunes at a low volume!

[beely]

I think it's a free update.. he said that the main theme of the update will be about performance.
1000 tracks? more stupid than impressive, but I get it..

Not stupid at all. A lot of people have run into track, bus or instrument limits, when setting up large templates. The previous limit was 256 of each. Having the ability to make larger templates does not mean you are intending on using all those tracks at the same time, it's more about setting up large templates to keep many things available when you need to use them (eg, orchestral sessions with many instruments and articulations).

Extending those limits, so the people affected by them are freed to set up whatever workflow they need, is not at all stupid.

[Jace-BeOS]

Apple have utterly lost their minds. $6000 for the BASE model. A Mac Pro used to start around $2500. Then it went to $3000 with the 2013 trash can. Now it’s TWICE as much as that one for the BASE effing model! Then there’s the display... starting at $5000, and apparently has no included stand. VESA adapter for $200 (the cost of numerous VESA mount systems, not adapters).

I’ve been saving tax rebates for years, waiting for Apple to sell a reasonably designed (ie: not stupidly thin, not disposable, and thermally sane) computer workstation. Clearly Apple wants me to f**k the f**king f**k off and die. There’s no way in hell I will EVER own one of these. Once my junky second hand iMac dies, I might as well just give up on computing and all of my hobbies. I’m not going back to PCs.

Miserable day.

[mrj1nx]

I've gotta agree with the previous speaker. The base model price is just insane, a sad day for apple fans for sure. I was also looking forward to this landing somewhere around the price of the old mac pro. I could maybe justify getting one of these if I had a business that pulled in enough dough to justify the cost. But I haven't done my own calculation of what an equally specced non apple computer would cost and not sure I trust whatever number has been stated. My personal plan for now is to stick with some of the more reasonable mac's as my mainframe and add to that with a second low cost to horsepower ratio windows machine and add that with VSL and a second screen + mouse to control that computer. Not sure I'm super happy about that thought though, having to keep VI's etc on two computers, possibly manage presets between them. + maintaining a complicated VSL template setup. I have a high specced iMac and have definitely ran into the upper limit on it with projects I would not call super complex, maybe medium complexity. Bouncing more VI's to audio is going to be a partial solution. I've found that while I like the freeze track function in theory, it's pretty annoying to work with in practice. I guess one of my problems is also that I try to keep the buffer size low to reduce latency to be able to play with my midi keyboard without major delays. People who don't use midi keyboards extensively can work with higher buffer sizes with less annoyance. The ultimate solution to me would be for apple to open up their OS, maybe start selling it and allow people to install it on any computer they want to. That would also reveal what people really think of their hardware prices.

[dayjob]

agreed on base price. that's insane. i guess they figure a souped up mac mini is good enough for us lowly audio users. or that the i9 8 core laptop is good enough.

it's a shame they didn't drop that entry price. a bit. an 8 core mac pro w/a bunch of ram, 1tb SSD and that big honking PSU shouldn't be $6k.

but if i win the lottery i'll buy one

[chk071]

Apple have utterly lost their minds. $6000 for the BASE model. A Mac Pro used to start around $2500. Then it went to $3000 with the 2013 trash can. Now it’s TWICE as much as that one for the BASE effing model!

Well... they gotta conform to the market. A $2500 Mac Pro wouldn't be special anymore. You can get a Windows PC for that, which isn't exactly something super special. Apple always was premium, so, it's not a surprise to me that they want to be premium, exclusive, you-name-it again.

[Passing Bye]

Apple have utterly lost their minds. $6000 for the BASE model. A Mac Pro used to start around $2500. Then it went to $3000 with the 2013 trash can. Now it’s TWICE as much as that one for the BASE effing model!

Well... they gotta conform to the market. A $2500 Mac Pro wouldn't be special anymore. You can get a Windows PC for that, which isn't exactly something super special. Apple always was premium, so, it's not a surprise to me that they want to be premium, exclusive, you-name-it again.

Conform to what market suddenly, they always had that entry level base model that was nothing to scream home about, mostly 4 core, they could get away with 6 core as base model right now for 2999.

[dayjob]

Apple have utterly lost their minds. $6000 for the BASE model. A Mac Pro used to start around $2500. Then it went to $3000 with the 2013 trash can. Now it’s TWICE as much as that one for the BASE effing model!

Well... they gotta conform to the market. A $2500 Mac Pro wouldn't be special anymore. You can get a Windows PC for that, which isn't exactly something super special. Apple always was premium, so, it's not a surprise to me that they want to be premium, exclusive, you-name-it again.

and now a spec'd out mac mini is $2599.
and a decently spec'd out imac is around $4300
imac pro easily over $8k

i'd say they're firmly in the premium aisle at the computa store. the price points for the other computers make it so if the mac pro is to be the king of all the macs it's going to start higher than the imac pro.

i'll buy a mac pro used one day if my 2010 mac pro becomes unviable.

[chk071]

and now a spec'd out mac mini is $2599.
and a decently spec'd out imac is around $4300
imac pro easily over $8k

i'd say they're firmly in the premium aisle at the computa store. the price points for the other computers make it so if the mac pro is to be the king of all the macs it's going to start higher than the imac pro.

Well... there you go. It makes sense.

[Cinebient]

Logic anyone?