Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[wagtunes]

I know I should keep out of this but here goes. Short and to the point.

According to info, Dune II is a VA "with a maximum reserve of 8320 oscillators at full polyphony, DUNE 2 is a true unison monster, unlikely to ever run out of oscillators."

So seems like a good match for anybody wanting more voices/polyphony/unison.

If that's all anybody cared about, sure.

But listen to Dune 2 and listen to The Legend.

They sound nothing alike.

There are simply people here who want the sound or The Legend with a few extras. They don't want another Dune 2. They already have a Dune 2. They don't need another one. In fact, what would even be the point of making another Dune 2?

I honestly don't understand why you're having trouble understanding this.

[Numanoid]

I trust your insight as much as I trust your other posting:

I'm keeping out of this. Wow, just wow.

a-ha! But then:

I honestly don't understand why you're having trouble understanding this.

[wagtunes]

I trust your insight as much as I trust your other posting:

I'm keeping out of this. Wow, just wow.

a-ha! But then:

I honestly don't understand why you're having trouble understanding this.

You know what I don't understand. We were getting alone pretty well in the prog rock thread. Everything was cordial, polite and you even gave me a compliment in there somewhere.

Now it seems you're just intent on looking to start a fight with anybody who is just trying to explain why The Legend and Dune 2 are two different synths and nobody is trying to get the Legend to sound like Dune 2. They just want a few more functions. That's all. They still want to recognize the synth as sounding like The Legend.

Well, I guess whatever camaraderie we had between us from the other thread is gone so it would probably be best if I did indeed just drop it at this point.

[Teksonik]

You must educate us then.

I'm afraid you can't be educated. The rest already know.

From somebody that has been harrasing me for several years about being a forum cop or whatever

Awww did someone harass you cupcake ?

it is always the other guy doing the "pollution"

In this case all you're doing is making yourself look stupid in this thread. I don't know if it's on purpose or if you really don't have a choice.

[Numanoid]

In this case all you're doing is making yourself look stupid in this thread.

In case I was, that would be self-explanatory, no need to point it out. Exactly how you refuse to share your "knowledge"

I'm afraid you can't be educated. The rest already know.

That makes a lot of sense, oh yeah, yawn

This is the second post of this thread BTW:

Sounds pretty similar to Dune2 (especially that Festival Chord patch, but some others too), but a tad smoother and fatter.

As far as there are 100500 analogue emulations already available as VSTis, I'd rather want them to bring this smoothness and fatness to the next versions of Dune.

[Numanoid]

You know what I don't understand. We were getting alone pretty well in the prog rock thread. Everything was cordial, polite and you even gave me a compliment in there somewhere.

I give credit where I think credit is due.

I think you prog project turned out good. So I posted about that.

But that doesn't mean either of us has to agree about anything else.

When it comes to this thread I think users should be focusing on getting the most out of maybe the best "moog emulation" before requesting more features.

[wagtunes]

You know what I don't understand. We were getting alone pretty well in the prog rock thread. Everything was cordial, polite and you even gave me a compliment in there somewhere.

I give credit where I think credit is due.

I think you prog project turned out good. So I posted about that.

But that doesn't mean either of us has to agree about anything else.

When it comes to this thread I think users should be focusing on getting the most out of maybe the best "moog emulation" before requesting more features.

That's a fair point. Personally, I don't really care either way. I bought the Legend for one reason only, because it was a great sounding Minimoog. I wasn't thinking about the future or anything else.

Would I mind if somebody made a synth with the same quality filters but with more stuff inside? Sure. In fact, I think Diva has pretty much done that. But the problem with Diva is it's a real CPU hog. Of course pumping up The Legend would probably turn that into a CPU hog as well.

All in all, I'm content with the synth I have.

[Teksonik]

Exactly how you refuse to share your "knowledge"

What knowledge ? That there are different Market Segments ? If you don't know that a synth like Dune 2 occupies a different market segment than a plugin like The Legend then you should probably take up another hobby.......

This is the second post of this thread BTW:

Sounds pretty similar to Dune2 (especially that Festival Chord patch, but some others too), but a tad smoother and fatter.

As far as there are 100500 analogue emulations already available as VSTis, I'd rather want them to bring this smoothness and fatness to the next versions of Dune.

So why pull a single post from 115 pages ago ? How is his opinion any more valid that the opinions expressed in the last two days ? He might as well have said any VA sounds pretty similar to any other VA.

Do you own The Legend or DUNE 2 ?

To be honest you're just not making any sense. Are you consuming alcohol or some other substance tonight ?

[Numanoid]

That there are different Market Segments ? If you don't know that a synth like Dune 2 occupies a different market segment than a plugin like The Legend then you should probably take up another hobby

If I am a hobbyist, why would I care about market segments?

I am quite intriguied by the way you have the market all sussed-out, so why not share your knowledge, about who buys The Legend and who buys Dune 2, and why.

To be honest you're just not making any sense. Are you consuming alcohol or some other substance tonight ?

Kind of sad when you have to imply that users with different opinion than yourself is doping or whatever.

Aliens stated clearly that s/he do not own The Legend, but you don't attack him/her for being stoned.

[Teksonik]

Would I mind if somebody made a synth with the same quality filters but with more stuff inside? Sure. In fact, I think Diva has pretty much done that.

See you've brought up an important point. I own both The Legend and DIVA and to me Legend sounds better than DIVA's Moog Module (others will no doubt disagree). So a more feature rich synth from Synapse with the same quality might just sound better than DIVA's higher Poly modes but even then wouldn't have all the same features so owning both would still make sense. The fact that there are already tons of VA's out there can be said for pretty much any other synthesis methods as well...tons of FM synths, Additive, Wavetable, Sampler Based etc etc. With the market as saturated as it is now in all areas a new product must either: A. Be something New (getting harder and harder to do) or B. Do something better than what's already available. In my opinion a new synth from Synapse with the same quality as The Legend and the feature requests mentioned in this thread would sell well. It would certainly get my attention.

I'm just not understanding why all the drama over simple feature requests or request for another Synapse product with the same quality as The Legend.

You'd think this was the first time in KVR history anyone made feature requests.

[Teksonik]

If I am a hobbyist, why would I care about market segments?

I don't know, you kept asking for an answer over and over.

I am quite intriguied by the way you have the market all sussed-out, so why not share your knowledge, about who buys The Legend and who buys Dune 2, and why.

Just listen to the factory patches of each. If you can't tell who would be interested in The Legend or Dune 2 then I can't help you.

Kind of sad when you have to imply that users with different opinion than yourself is doping or whatever..

It has nothing to do with your opinion. In fact you're being so incoherent I can't even tell if you have an opinion.

Aliens stated clearly that s/he do not own The Legend, but you don't attack him/her for being stoned.

I'm not "attacking" you for being stoned. It's just that you are not making any sense and to be honest you're just being pig headed. You seem to be impaired in some form tonight. If not then I guess you're just being yourself..........

[Numanoid]

I'm not "attacking" you for being stoned. It's just that you are not making any sense and to be honest you're just being pig headed.

Well, case closed then.

To me it just means we have different opinions, so any down-putting term like "drunk", "not making sense" or "pigheaded" makes me laugh, just means the other party has run out of steam and valid arguments.

[AnX]

Tried the update. New BP filter is good. Didnt have a lot of time, so hopefully i can dig deeper later. (Especially velocity)

[EnGee]

Whatever this discussion seems childish, but IMO it is very useful for the developers to take notes for future developments (if they want to continue to develop synths, which I guess, Yes!) and what opinions and suggestions has the KVR crowd (which I still believe it is a very important segment of the musical forums, because it can be a perfect random sample for a study).

Anyway, I'm not going to be against this member or that member, but I'm going to write the points that interests me:

Point 1:
ENV1 has a very interesting point in suggesting a roadmap for the Vintage/Analogue sound that is part of Synapse Audio development.

However, we must think also of how practical and how risky it is. There is already Model 15 emulation in iPad by Moog itself (I haven't bought it, because I don't like to use my iPad for music creations or even as an external VA). So, they can port it to VST/AU world if they want, and that would make it very tough competition to SA, or always threatens the big efforts that SA developers would put in the making in addition to the cost of the hardware unit, that if they want to emulate that unit as they did with a Mini Moog.

However, if SA wants to emulate/copy the Model 15 design only, and apply what they achieved from filters/oscillators ..etc to make Legend 15 or even Legend 35 or 55, then it is not a very risky business.

Point 2:
If there will be an extended version of the Legend, would that make it useless because already Dune 2 can do all the extended sounds?

I have Dune 2 and I've just bought the Legend now still run the demo of Legend (I will buy it next week as a present for myself on my birthday today ). Anyway, I haven't tried to make the Legend sounds in Dune 2, but I have doubts that it can do all the Legend sounds! I have tried in the past to do some Moog bass sounds in my Waldorf blofeld (also copying a bass from KLC Mono/Poly), and I have failed trying after about one hour! Ok, it might be my skills, but sure if it is possible, it needs a hell a lot of effort, which I don't have the patience for!

I will try tonight or tomorrow to make the same experiment with Dune 2. Let's see what I can reach.

Point 3:
What future developments we want SA to be involved in?

Ok, it is not our business to discuss that (literally ) But, as clients and potential clients (hobbyists and professionals), we know at least two very successful synths (till now) Dune 2 and the Legend. What could be in the future? What do we want?

Dune 3 (that is certain! This mostly many would agree about), but what about the vintage side? Do you prefer another completely different emulation (not even Moog), Or another Moog emulation, or just an extended version of the Legend with SA own design? For example, something like RePro~1 maybe, or completely a different approach and design? We need to think about the costs of the development as well.

Point 4:
Should it be the same in RE world?

I don't see a problem there, because the extended version, can be implemented in the RE world I guess. For example, Thor already has its own step sequencer, so I don't think this would be a challenge for SA.


Finally, IMO, I would like to see Legend II from SA based on the current Legend but with vintage step sequencer (not copying the one from Dune 2) and some modulations here and there or a simple mod matrix. I'm positive it would generate very exciting high quality sounds, that is difficult to produce with Dune 2 or blofeld. Using what is already there from filters/Oscillators ..etc is the less costy way IMO for a future Legend

[AnX]

SA have already said D3 is in development

SA have also said Re dev is important, so anything 'new' will prob be cross platform. Due to Re restrictions, it wont be as complex as D3, but could be like Antidote/Legend.

What anything 'new' will be is anyones guess. I'm happy writing with D2 and Legend right now. (when i get time )