KVR Audio

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:29 am

headquest wrote:
Also, how in the heck do you stretch audio without changing tempo? I've wondered this since the beginning of testing, though I admit I haven't researched it much. Can you really not stretch audio freely? That's a huge missed opportunity, IMO, if you can't.

Brent
I don't think you can do that. So far as I could tell you have to change the project tempo to that of the loop, bring in the loop, then change the tempo back again. Although even that doesn't necessarily work.

Or of course... fork out the cash to buy (the extreemly overpriced) ReCycle programme and convert stuff to REX files, which conform. Same old...

That is just idiotic. And they talk about workflow? What good is a good timestretch algo if you can't stretch at anything other than the project level? Seems pretty convoluted and is one more example of how Record missed an opportunity, IMO.

It's sad because in concept, Record could have been fantastic. But it really missed on several areas.

Brent

deep'n'dark · Post by **deep'n'dark** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:51 pm

You gotta understand that Record is new and can't have everything in one version.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:40 pm

True, but then they also stated they spent five years on this... which makes me wonder how long users will have to wait for some other - fairly basic - stuff to be added. Long enough for there to be a huge amount of frustration and moaning, I suspect.

In any case, I think without MIDI out it's useless to me as a DAW. And if it can't be a proper DAW at this time then (for now at least) it's just pointless

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:48 pm

deep'n'dark wrote:You gotta understand that Record is new and can't have everything in one version.

I don't expect it to have everything. I just would have thought that with all the time spent making Record, they could have implemented things to be easier with the features that ARE there. It's not like timestretching isn't there. It is. It's a HUGE selling point in their promos. But they really missed the boat on implementing it, IMO.

Brent

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:04 pm

koolkeys wrote: But they really missed the boat on implementing it, IMO.
Brent

StateMedia · Post by **StateMedia** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:42 am

I do love Record, even with its limitations.

deep'n'dark · Post by **deep'n'dark** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:53 am

StateMedia wrote:I do love Record, even with its limitations.

Me too - making music with it is fun and easy and the quality is perfect.

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:44 pm

ruud07 wrote:
v1o wrote:How is the CPU usage in the final release?

What sort of CPU do you need to run the entire Push Me Down demo song without any cracks?
The CPU usage is quite low. The Push Me Down demo song runs fine on my two years old 2 ghz dual core Vista laptop using the onboard soundchip and ASIO4ALL.

What about the Baguettes demo?

I need to upgrade my system. Was having problems running the demo tracks with a 2GHz AthlonXP with 1GB Ram WindowsXP.

nylarch · Post by **nylarch** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:37 pm

Here's a little $15 utility that helps overcome the time stretch limitations discussed....

http://www.recordreadyapp.com/

And I agree....Record is a joy to work with. Sounds is phenomenal. I'm getting big crunchy beats with the master bus compression.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:42 pm

nylarch wrote:Here's a little $15 utility that helps overcome the time stretch limitations discussed....

http://www.recordreadyapp.com/

And I agree....Record is a joy to work with. Sounds is phenomenal. I'm getting big crunchy beats with the master bus compression.

Unfortunately, that utility doesn't make it possible to stretch clips in Record without changing tempo. In Record, you can't just drag a clip to double it's size or half it's size if you want to keep the tempo the same, without doing some major steps.

That's the big problem for me.

Brent

ruud07 · Post by **ruud07** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:55 am

v1o wrote:
ruud07 wrote:
v1o wrote:How is the CPU usage in the final release?

What sort of CPU do you need to run the entire Push Me Down demo song without any cracks?
The CPU usage is quite low. The Push Me Down demo song runs fine on my two years old 2 ghz dual core Vista laptop using the onboard soundchip and ASIO4ALL.
What about the Baguettes demo?

I need to upgrade my system. Was having problems running the demo tracks with a 2GHz AthlonXP with 1GB Ram WindowsXP.

The Baguettes demo doesn't give any problems either, also on my quad core Vista PC (Q6600, one of the first quadcores from Intel). The tracks use a lot of WAV files. If you want to upgrade to Windows 7, you need 2 GB RAM (min. requirements). More RAM is always better of course.

Any modern CPU will be sufficient as long as you don't go for the athom (netbookprocessors) or celeron-like processors, I guess. Check Tom's Hardware.com for benchmarks.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:19 am

headquest wrote:In any case, I think without MIDI out it's useless to me as a DAW. And if it can't be a proper DAW at this time then (for now at least) it's just pointless

Same here. It's a brilliant but pointless app for me at the moment. And the timestretching 'work around' is a joke considering the quality of the algorhythm the Props are using. You should be able to just grab the end of a loop & stretch it to fit like you can in other apps (I was doing this in Tracktion years ago). I'm holding out for Record 2.0 & campaignnig hard for 'MIDI-out for Record' on the Prop's forum;

https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/sho ... p?t=115762

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:29 am

For me Record is Reason with a much better mixer. It has made Reason perfect and I can record some guitar in it now as well and import loops and audio recorded elsewhere. Absolutely loving it!

Now just MIDI out and I'm completely happy.

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:05 pm

koolkeys wrote:I guess they aren't aware that a large amount of their Reason customers are laptop users. And even those with desktops often have laptops they work on as well. And it's a mess on a laptop screen. Not to mention that it's got it's own share of other oddities in the workflow. But the monitor thing just isn't as cut and dry. Besides, there should at least be a better than decent option for displaying things on one screen. And I personally don't think there is.

Brent

It's actually quite magnificent on a my MacBook Pro...the double fingertip scrolling makes the whole screen move exactly the way you need it to, and just flipping between F5, F6 and F7 fills the screen with whatever area you'd like to be working in. I'll take it over ANY other piece of software I've worked with.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:55 pm

gmstudio wrote:
koolkeys wrote:I guess they aren't aware that a large amount of their Reason customers are laptop users. And even those with desktops often have laptops they work on as well. And it's a mess on a laptop screen. Not to mention that it's got it's own share of other oddities in the workflow. But the monitor thing just isn't as cut and dry. Besides, there should at least be a better than decent option for displaying things on one screen. And I personally don't think there is.

Brent

It's actually quite magnificent on a my MacBook Pro...the double fingertip scrolling makes the whole screen move exactly the way you need it to, and just flipping between F5, F6 and F7 fills the screen with whatever area you'd like to be working in. I'll take it over ANY other piece of software I've worked with.

I totally agree with that. I think navigation is superb. I use a MBP as well. It's an absolute joy to use.

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