GROUP BUY: Ocean Way & Drum Masters Ultimate Studio Drum Bundle!

[someone called simon]

Here's the thing for "some" of us...

Im a guitar player needing good sounding kits and midi grooves for recording. I have no idea by the names of drums or grooves (well very few ideas) which ones to choose and which ones to pass on. I assume we will have choices when the Ocean Way downloads start up in our user area, so in guitar player terms, which choices will be the absolute ones to get for us drummer lingo challenged guitar players?

I don't know if I understand your question correctly, but the selection of kits from OWD and drum Masters is a predetermined selection, which is this: (not including any bonus kits, which we have too. That info is a few pages back)

Ocean Way® Drum Kit 1 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 2 Medium
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 4 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 4 Ambient
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 5 Medium
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 6 Ambient
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 8 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 9 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 10 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 10 Ambient
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 12 Dry
Ocean Way® Drum Kit 13 Medium

and this from the Drum Masters 2 series:

Drum Masters 2 NDV ST Gretsch® Kit
Drum Masters 2 NDV ST Premier® Kit (Dry)
Drum Masters 2 NDV ST Premier® Kit (Ambient)
Drum Masters 2 Collins Kit
Drum Masters 2 Duke Kit
Drum Masters 2 Doctor Nirvana Kit
Drum Masters 2 NDV ST Blasticks Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Tama® Brush Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Session Sonor® Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Sensitone™ Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Danger Ogletree Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Supraphonic™ Kit
Drum Masters 2 JB Brady™ Deep
Drum Masters 2 Bonhm Ludwig® Kit
Drum Masters 2 Stairway Levee Kit

You can hear demos of these on the esoundz groupbuy page which is quoted nearly everywhere...

Was that your question?

[Squids]

1) I don't really care about grooves. I can make my own and prefer to, even if they might not be as good. What I want are amazing drum sounds/kits. How many does this come with? It sounds like I can't have the Ludwig kit as I will need the player, though I already have Kontakt.

You'll have about 81 kits unless you choose EZ Player Pro then you'd have 80 kits.

2) I have Kontakt and Battery. How much better is this than what those two offer out of the box for what I'm after? Keep in mind I don't care about loops or grooves.

Better is a subjective term. But these are more elaborate in features and this has the unique sound of these great studios like Ocean Way Recording (where artists like Radiohead, Green Day, Paul McCartney, Kanye West, Eric Clapton, Red Hot Chili Peppers, No Doubt, Beck, Rolling Stones, Fiona Apple, Rush, Dido, Michael Jackson, Eminem, Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Elton John, Ray Charles, Bonnie Rait, Elvis Costello and... oh I think you get the idea!) or the sound of drummer's kits such as John Blackwell (drummer for Prince, Diddy, Justin Timberlake) or Nick D'Virgilio (drummer for Tears for Fears, Genesis, Spock's Beard) or Steve Gadd signature Yamaha snare or drums in the style of John Bonham of Led Zeppelin... Kontakt and Battery don't come with that so that's why third party sound companies like Sonic Reality do that work and use formats like Kontakt for their products. We'd have done it in Battery but Kontakt gives us more capability to have custom features that we program into our "Infinite Player" which is an expandable library that resides inside Kontakt.

3) Why should I get this as opposed to BFD or one of the other competitors? Or just buying some drum sounds for Kontakt/Battery?

These are drum sounds for Kontakt first of all. It's just that it comes with a library authorization for it to run inside Kontakt or Kontakt Player (and Kontakt Player for those that don't have Kontakt is free). As far as getting this as opposed to BFD... price would be a good reason. There are a LOT of great drum products out there these days and BFD2 is certainly one of them. But the difference between this and all of the other products on the market for drums - the biggest difference - is that this is the only one that has THESE sounds. If you like what you hear, if you like getting over 80 kits (made from 24 sampled kits and additional kit pieces all with built-in effects and convolution impulse responses from great studios around the world), if you like the price of $99, if you like that it is downloadable so no shipping cost... then this one's for you!

The beautiful thing about drum virtual instruments is that they're not mutually exclusive. That means that just because you get this doesn't mean you can't at some point also get BFD2 or something else. And Visa Versa, if one owns BFD or SD or anything else they shouldn't deprive themselves of this if the like the sounds. Nothing wrong with having more than one virtual instrument for drums. More variety. More material to inspire. If you had to get just one and this is your first one at least you get some REALLY good bang for the buck with this one. It may be all you need or you can expand it too with other sounds from us.

[lagavulin16]

Nice sales job.

Who wants my epointz?

[maximilians1]

Nice sales job.

Who wants my epointz?

i do maximilians1

[Squids]

Motown stuff we have a bunch of and there's a nice Motown style kit in Signature Drum Kits Vol. 2 coming out (being in this group buy will get you a $99 off coupon toward that title... essentially making this GB FREE if you look at it that way). (snip)
http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2763

Awesome and awesomer!

As for Keltner... well, I am doing some drums in the style of Steely Dan. Not sure if we'll have him or Rick Marotta (Jerry's brother btw) or some other guys (we already have Steve Gadd and Ed Greene on Signature Kits Vol. 1 coming out). But Keltner is great too. I sat in on a session with him once. I drove Patrick Warren there who was doing keys. Not sure the artist. Tony Berg was producing and it was at The Complex which is a really cool studio in West LA. Nice to meet Jim Keltner. What a talent.

Cool story, must have been fun. Signature Kit 1 you say? I believe I'm on board with that! Or the EpiK or the, geeze, what a selection over there!

EpiK DrumS is really amazing. However it is at the other extreme in that just TWO kits from it are larger than this entire Group Buy of 28+ kits (80+ kit patches). Just the kits alone in it are over 110 gigabytes in size and it's not downloadable. Plus they take some power to run. But man they are just incredible recreations of multitrack drum sessions and kits in the style of David Bowie (with the original drummer Woody), Mahavishnu Orchestra (with the original drummer - Cobham!), Missing Persons (Bozzio!), Dixie Dregs (Rod Morgenstein!) and Supertramp (Bob Siebenberg) and all of it is recorded with the original equipment from the 60's and 70's by the producer/engineer who recorded those albums in the first place, Ken Scott. Also included are a 60's Downbeat "Ringo" style kit with tea towels just like they did back then and also a "Nigel Olsen" style kit from 70's Elton John records. Ken recorded Rocket Man, Daniel, Mad Man Across the Water and other classics. It doesn't get any more authentic than that. http://www.epikdrums.com

However, I have some good news for people that want individual drummers. We will be releasing "Drummer Packs" with STm kits and stereo audio grooves in Rex, Apple Loops and Wave (as well as Infinite Player mapped) with the following drummers, including the EpiK drummers:

Jerry Marotta
Ed Greene
Nick D'Virgilio
Bill Bruford
John Blackwell
Danny Gottlieb
Steve Gadd

(those are all from the Drum Masters 1 series but there's now kits for Gadd and Bruford and they all have the STm Drum Masters 2 scripts, the grooves now come in both Rex AND Apple Loops, Acidized Wave - the RAW comes with it for free). This will be released next month.

By late February/March time we'll release Drummer Packs for:

Bill Cobham
Terry Bozzio
Bob Siebenberg
Woody Woodmansey
Rod Morgenstein

The Neil Peart Drum Library is not planned as an STm/Groove Drummer Pack yet. Still working things out with record labels on that one but cross your fingers. The kit itself will be released in discrete multitrack for Infinite Player and BFD2 in the next month or two. It's almost done.

[2busdriver]

Wow

[Squids]

Good question from another forum:

what's a hybrid kit?

Well, as I was posting earlier with the kit details, you have 21 kits that have their own kick, snare, toms, hi hat, ride, crashes and sometimes chinas and splashes too. Then you have 7 more kits that have unique snares and some unique kit pieces but then they also share with kit pieces from the 21 kits ... mainly from the Drum Masters kits - like the Collins kit which shares between the Premier and Gretsch kits, two kits Phil Collins used to use, along with a separate Ayotte snare for instance that happens to be FATTER and lower than the snares that are normally with the NDV Premier or Gretsch kits. Same thing for the Duke kit but that one has a special snare from Ross Garfield the Drum Doctor. The Nirvana Tama kit has the actual snare used on Nirvana's Nevermind album along with some Tama Star Classic Toms and various other kit pieces borrowed from the other Drum Masters kits of that 21. So those 7 are semi-hybrid kits.

But then there's those 50 patches we call bonus "Hybrid Kits". Those mostly don't have any unique samples of their own - they are patches that reference the different kit pieces of the 21+7 Stm kits that DO have a variety of kicks, snares, toms, hats etc that can be swapped out and combined to make NEW kits... what we call "Hybrid Kits". The other thing these Hybrid Kits have is built-in effects processing so they sound like an album right out of the box. The 21+7 main STm kits do too but they're more natural acoustic sounding than the Hybrid Kits which are more for Metal, Hard Rock, Pop, Hip Hop and other styles that really integrate effects as part of the production style.

Does that help explain it?

[eDrummist]

That list includes a lot of great drummers, but one that really doesn't get as much attention as his talent warrants is Nick D'Virgilio and his kits are my favorites of the DM (and even OWD) kits. Not only that, but Nick is such a superb drummer and a superb vocalist it will make any rock drummer jealous. Among the many bands he played drums in was Kevin Gilbert's band (check him out if you don't know him). The keyboardist in the band was this kid from Florida, I think -- I forget his name, Kerzman or something? Ah, anyways, here's Nick in action singing and playing. Judge for yourself:

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

link for group buy using paypal


http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?Prod ... ode=USDKVR

[Squids]

Well you guys are getting closer to 600 so there is a chance you'll get it. The prize this time will be TWO more STm kits. I am not sure yet whether we can do another OWD Kit or not but if we can it will likely be Kit 11 since that was requested. The other kit will be the Chicago Gretsch kit from Drum Masters and if we don't end up doing the OWD kit 11 then it'll be another kit from the John Blackwell session - a Tama kit. But, let's see. Maybe if you hit 650 you can have all three.

[zai]

Hey Squids, what if we break 600!? (probably a long shot though).

Zai

[Squids]

That list includes a lot of great drummers, but one that really doesn't get as much attention as his talent warrants is Nick D'Virgilio and his kits are my favorites of the DM (and even OWD) kits. Not only that, but Nick is such a superb drummer and a superb vocalist it will make any rock drummer jealous. Among the many bands he played drums in was Kevin Gilbert's band (check him out if you don't know him). The keyboardist in the band was this kid from Florida, I think -- I forget his name, Kerzman or something? Ah, anyways, here's Nick in action singing and playing. Judge for yourself:

Oh, I just got the video DVD of Thud Live at the Troubadour. I haven't seen it SINCE that gig. Not the best camera work (as usual) but cool to see. Not much camera on me (also typical, same with the Lamb video) but you can see KG and NDV and Russ. Russ is quite a character. He had a mock metal band that used to play at the Viper Room. I knew him for years before he joined Kevin's band. It was weird when he just showed up for rehearsal one day without me knowing. "Hey Russ!". Nick was just amazing to play with. The Premier and Gretsch kits were recorded at that same studio we used to work in, Lawnmower (now called just Mower). The Mapex kit was recorded in a studio in Nashville - I wasn't there for that session but I was for the one in Pasadena at Mower and it was nostalgic.

[Squids]

Hey Squids, what if we break 600!? (probably a long shot though).

Zai

One step ahead of ya Zai!

[zedd]

Well you guys are getting closer to 600 so there is a chance you'll get it. The prize this time will be TWO more STm kits. I am not sure yet whether we can do another OWD Kit or not but if we can it will likely be Kit 11 since that was requested. The other kit will be the Chicago Gretsch kit from Drum Masters and if we don't end up doing the OWD kit 11 then it'll be another kit from the John Blackwell session - a Tama kit. But, let's see. Maybe if you hit 650 you can have all three.

That is a really nice bonus, Squids. I am actually more excited about getting additional STm kits rather than the multitracks because that will allow for even more mixing and matching options.

It would be grand to get all three... so let's aim for 650 people!!!

We're at 543, so that is only about 100 more. And we've had about 100 new participants in the past 24 to 48 hours. So it is very possible.

[michael2]

okay, I'm a little confused. I bought in the other day, and I saw on the group buy page that you get Sonic Reality's Infinite Player plug-in powered by Kontakt. I just saw a few pages back that these drums were made for Kontact? Is that true? just want to make sure that all I will need is the Infinite Player to use these in Logic (i don't have Kontact).

Pardon my ignorance, but this thread is 116 pages long and I have another stupid question: why would you want EZ Player for this library? I see that it is a bonus if the sales get high enough.

Really sorry to butt in with dumb questions; just wanted to make sure I can use this. Thanks.