Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[wagtunes]

Yep, It's definitely Synapse, since I just downloaded Other 1GB file in 3 minutes.
If installation file is not personalized file (I guess go, its name is just 'legend11win.zip') , Can someone send it to me via e-mail?

The file is 94 meg and I have a 50 meg limit on email attachments to can't help I'm afraid.

The demo is not the same as the full version. You are talking about the full version right?

Yeah, the full version is 94 meg.

The demo is 54 meg. Still too big.

[EnGee]

I have the demo file as well the full version, but I can't distribute the demo file (uploading it somewhere) without a permission from SA I think.

Anyway, I hope SA solved it by now

[Yorrrrrr]

If there is room for additional features, and The Legend is not yet 'final', I think it would be great if Synapse added a simple way to lock and control the phases of the oscillators. Yes I know this is Minimoog emulation and vintage analog synths should be 'free-runnning', but I love when synths give the option to reset or retrigger, and set individual phases, to dial specific tones from the interaction. One of the things I like about Beepstreet Dagger mono analog synth, for example. Would love to have that with moogish mojo, filters, saturation, etc., added on top.

[nicksohn]

Thanks guys.

Downloading Demo version is also quiet slow. that's Weird.
Cuz It was ok when i downloaded demo 2 days ago.

Anyway, Downloading the full installation file Complete. It took 5 hours.
Weird, since I downloaded other file, it was OK.

and now online activation does not work properly.(It said Error in connection.)
I authorized it via offline activation.

What a relief... Finally I got THE LEGEND. haha...

[EnGee]

Really strange! I have just downloaded the demo (just to see if there is a delay or a problem), and it took about 12 seconds only to downloaded it (I'm on fibre but not super speed, as my room is not near the router).

Anyway, glad that you got it Personally, when I first load synths in a new song (or whatever), The Legend, RePro~1, FM8 and Sylenth1 are the first ones I load.
For bass and lead, Legend and RePro are the way to go for me, while I use other synths for pads, effects ...etc. Those two (and Monark to be honest) have so strong character that stand out easily in the mix.

[nicksohn]

Really strange! I have just downloaded the demo (just to see if there is a delay or a problem), and it took about 12 seconds only to downloaded it (I'm on fibre but not super speed, as my room is not near the router).

Anyway, glad that you got it Personally, when I first load synths in a new song (or whatever), The Legend, RePro~1, FM8 and Sylenth1 are the first ones I load.
For bass and lead, Legend and RePro are the way to go for me, while I use other synths for pads, effects ...etc. Those two (and Monark to be honest) have so strong character that stand out easily in the mix.

Yep I agree. but Monark is stronger than the legend imo. the legend is like.... um.. more juicy mellow?(but has its own strength), Maybe because they mimic different machine, IDK,
But they are different enough and definitely they are worth having both.

[Ingonator]

Really strange! I have just downloaded the demo (just to see if there is a delay or a problem), and it took about 12 seconds only to downloaded it (I'm on fibre but not super speed, as my room is not near the router).

Anyway, glad that you got it Personally, when I first load synths in a new song (or whatever), The Legend, RePro~1, FM8 and Sylenth1 are the first ones I load.
For bass and lead, Legend and RePro are the way to go for me, while I use other synths for pads, effects ...etc. Those two (and Monark to be honest) have so strong character that stand out easily in the mix.

Yep I agree. but Monark is stronger than the legend imo. the legend is like.... um.. more juicy mellow?(but has its own strength), Maybe because they mimic different machine, IDK,
But they are different enough and definitely they are worth having both.

You could maske the sound in The Legend "stronger" those ways:

- Set the Osc volumes to maximum
- use the Drive knob
- increase the Amp saturation (back panel)
- usethe Feedback parameter
- for monophonic sound add the Unison

For me The Legend with the proper settings is far from sounding "weak".

If it still not enough you could add an external EQ or Bass enhancement plugin but with The Legend i used this very rarely and/or in very few cases opposing to some other plugins (e.g. the Arturia plugins or Saurus 2).

[nicksohn]

Really strange! I have just downloaded the demo (just to see if there is a delay or a problem), and it took about 12 seconds only to downloaded it (I'm on fibre but not super speed, as my room is not near the router).

Anyway, glad that you got it Personally, when I first load synths in a new song (or whatever), The Legend, RePro~1, FM8 and Sylenth1 are the first ones I load.
For bass and lead, Legend and RePro are the way to go for me, while I use other synths for pads, effects ...etc. Those two (and Monark to be honest) have so strong character that stand out easily in the mix.

Yep I agree. but Monark is stronger than the legend imo. the legend is like.... um.. more juicy mellow?(but has its own strength), Maybe because they mimic different machine, IDK,
But they are different enough and definitely they are worth having both.

You could maske the sound in The Legend "stronger" those ways:

- Set the Osc volumes to maximum
- use the Drive knob
- increase the Amp saturation (back panel)
- usethe Feedback parameter
- for monophonic sound add the Unison

For me The Legend with the proper settings is far from sounding "weak".

If it still not enough you could add an external EQ or Bass enhancement plugin but with The Legend i used this very rarely and/or in very few cases opposing to some other plugins (e.g. the Arturia plugins or Saurus 2).

No No, I didn't mean that TL is weak. it has its own strength, just Monark tends to be more agrgessive.

[Mutant]

No No, I didn't mean that TL is weak. it has its own strength, just Monark tends to be more agrgessive.

Just increase the range of the filter frequency knob.

[jbuonacc]

No No, I didn't mean that TL is weak. it has its own strength, just Monark tends to be more agrgessive.

Just increase the range of the filter frequency knob.

uhh... dude? there's a bit more to it than that.

as much as i love 'Monark', when comparing it to 'The Legend' i thought it sounded quite "ugly". been a while, can't explain it better than that. something about noticing how quickly (and how harshly) the filter resonance started squawking at me. maybe i'll pull them up in a bit to refresh my memory. i've really got to buy 'The Legend' asap, even though i've got it stuck in my mind that it's a rather "boring" synth overall (for whatever reason) and that i don't "need" it. when i fired it up to see if the demo limitation was reset, i thought it sounded just fantastic. of course i thought that before when i used it, but it was just an "oh, hell yes" sort of moment.

[nicksohn]

No No, I didn't mean that TL is weak. it has its own strength, just Monark tends to be more agrgessive.

Just increase the range of the filter frequency knob.

I was trying to make the sound similar to Monark's with The Legend, And vice versa.
of course I touched almost every options, INTENSIVELY.
But I failed both way, They are different enough.
That's why I Bought The Legend, I already have monark though.
I don't think 'which is better' problem. Just They are different, and I'm totally satisfied with both of them.
For me, The Legend is better since it gives me juicy funk bass sound, But I'm sure there is someone who think monark is somewhat/much better.

[Ingonator]

No No, I didn't mean that TL is weak. it has its own strength, just Monark tends to be more agrgessive.

Just increase the range of the filter frequency knob.

I was trying to make the sound similar to Monark's with The Legend, And vice versa.
of course I touched almost every options, INTENSIVELY.
But I failed both way, They are different enough.
That's why I Bought The Legend, I already have monark though.
I don't think 'which is better' problem. Just They are different, and I'm totally satisfied with both of them.
For me, The Legend is better since it gives me juicy funk bass sound, But I'm sure there is someone who think monark is somewhat/much better.

Well, it's possible that Monark sounds more aggressive and that some people prefer it but when it comes to authentic Minimoog Model D sound The Legend currently seems to be the best.

Besides that the tweaking options in The Legend are quite nice and my favorite features there are the Drive and the Amp saturation. Like mentioned earlier they also seemed to have fixed the sound of teh pink noise with The Legend which with otehremulation did not seem to work exactly likie in the real thing.
Using the pink noise for modulation sometimes could give nice results.

Speaking about the basic sound also the model revision setting in The Lgeend could make a difference and als the Cutoff range setting as Mutant mentioned.

At the back panel it is also possible to set the range of the pitch and filter modulation beyond or below the standard setting and also set a crurve for this.

[Ingonator]

I had just played with Arturia Solina V2, especially the Viola preset/waveform, and had the idea to recreate the raw sound in The Legend.
With using an oscilloscope FX on the Solina V2 it was quite obvious that this is a bandpass filtered Sawtooth waveform (not possible to create with a Lowpass) while for the Solina this knowledge does not seem to be really new.

After creating a comparable Viola patch in The Legend i added an Ensemble FX from ValhallaÜbermod, the ArtsAcoutsic Big Rock Phaser (= Small Stone emulation) and the Lexicon MPX Native Reverb to both.

Here are audio demos of both Solina V2 and The Legend with the Viola waveform and the FXs mentioned above:

Solina V2 - Viola + Ensemble + Phaser + Reverb - Demo 1

The Legend - Viola + Ensemble + Phaser + Reverb - Demo 1

The Ensemble used in ValhallaÜbermod is a sligthly modified factory preset. I used the "DualSolina" factory preset and increased "VibRate" to 8.48 Hz and "VibDepth" to 24.8%.
I had also posted 2 Ensemble presets recreated from my Waldorf Streichfett String synth here:
viewtopic.php?f=146&t=339479&start=30

Another demo with the same Solina like sound in The Legend layered with the "BP Vox" patch that was already included in my patches collection (same Ensemble and Reverb FX used for the BP Vox as for the other patch):

IW - The Legend - Solina Viola + BP Vox - Demo 1


UPDATE:
6 Solina based/inspired patches are available in my thread at the Soundware forum:
viewtopic.php?f=257&t=478679&p=6700239#p6700239

[Ingonator]

I really like having Bandass filters in analog synths (both of my current real analog hardware monosynths got a BPF mode) and more and more like the new BPF in The Legend.

Using the patch used in the audio demo for The Legend posted above i compared the 12db BPF used there to many others of my synths that include analog modeled BPFs. From 17 synths i checked (one is freeware) only 3 could realy come close enough for me.
With tehadditional Ensemble and Phaser effects used it is even more difficult to find one that nails both the sound of the patch and/or filter and the effects. Only one synth o wown comes cloe to the combination of the basic sound and the sound of the effects. Will not tell a name yet as (except the Solina plugin that was used as a direct comparison and a source for reprogramming the patch) i don't want to do advertisement for other synths than The Legend here but it is one of the "big" synths with tons of features.

I did not compare the 24dB BPF yet which is even more rare with both analog hardware and also aanlog emulations (AAFIk around 8 of the 17 synths i checked got a 24dB BPF).
Many other analog modeled synths (and also analog hardware) do not include a dedicated BPF at all.

Overall i found i do not have many choices besides The Legend if i want to have a similar sound like in the demos posted above. With other BPF sounds, also with higher resonance amounts (the BPFs in The Legend could go uo to self-oscillation) the choices could get even less or close to zero.
On the other hand it is also possible to use those filters with other synths when using the FX version of The Legend.

The self-oscillation in the BBFs of The Legend starta at a Resonance amount of around 7.30 (where 10 is maximum).
The BPFs at self-oscillation seem to be more far from a pure Sine than with the LPFs, actually you get a sound closer to a lowpass filtered Triangle.

[EnGee]

I did a tiny comparison between 5 synths (includes The Legend of course). It is a simple bass and as I'm not a pro sound designer, so forgive me for my lack of the details.

I tried to make them as near as possible and as equal as I could in volume with a very simple bass melody. It repeats the same midi file for each synth to play (which takes about 15 seconds each).

https://soundcloud.com/engeemoon/bass-comparison

I don't know really, but the most difference I think it is in the character and the way of playing. I like them all to be honest as they are from my favourite synths

What do you think? Is there a clear difference between each synth? Can you spot The Legend easily? Do you believe that the skill of the programmer (sound designer) is as important as the synth sound/character?