KVR Audio

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:26 am

Cameleon yeah but it is very tricky to get anything but screeching noise. I have tried several times and completely messed it up. Out of 20 tries I got one pathetic sound. Ableton's Simpler I thought I understood and used a few comps back, but it turns out that I was using a stock preset and not my own as intended I donn't see how to importinto Simpler. The only VSTi I know how import is pHATmatik Pro. Kontakt has me baffled and VSampler gave me a migraine. Symptohm - well let's say I am going to wait for other to design patchs - last Wednesday I almost decided to stop making music altogether - this synth (Symptohm) made me insane with frustration. I have to accept the fact that am utterly hopeless with anything except stock presets. I need a hands on course with someone guiding me because thw tutotrials, articles and monographs are wasted on my klutziness.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:00 am

I always get messed up at two key points - import and saving. Simple is easy to import but won't save a new patch - bloody annoying! Kontakt - can't find how to load a sample - I can mess up exosting nkis but damned if I can find how to create my own - yes I have consulted the manual- and it's useless. Cameleon -import is bizarre - sould nothing like the source. I could on but I won't.....

fucanay · Post by **fucanay** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:27 am

Beardedone,

If it makes you feel any better, I have the exact opposite problem. I can't use midi or VSTi/AU instruments worth a damn. Most of the stuff I do is almost completely audio. But I've learned a few things trying to work on the contests here and it opens up other possibilities when working on material for personal projects.

So keep trying, it'll add a whole new source of material to add to your music.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:37 am

Thanks Funcany. I have lost my drive to learb new stuff. i have no patience to try new things or even the stuff I have had for a while now.

Barnadine · Post by **Barnadine** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:47 am

Beardedone wrote:I always get messed up at two key points - import and saving. Simple is easy to import but won't save a new patch - bloody annoying! Kontakt - can't find how to load a sample - I can mess up exosting nkis but damned if I can find how to create my own - yes I have consulted the manual- and it's useless. Cameleon -import is bizarre - sould nothing like the source. I could on but I won't.....

Techno-rage!

Gordon, I've only used the Kontakt demo, but don't you just click on the little Browser button, then navigate through your hard disk on the left hand pane to find the wav sample you want to import? Seemed fairly straightforward, or am I missing something?

emdot wrote:Personally I find working this way to be interesting but not very satisfying...

Yeah, I love the little serendipities that crop up when you work like this, but without the right software, an element of tedium weasels its way in. Hopping from program to program just to stretch and repitch samples is a bit like having to retune your guitar between chords.

Worthwhile theme, though. Normally I cook up a song idea in my head and let the accidents bubble up during the arrangement, but it's interesting to sit back and let the accidents guide the composing instead.

Thanks for the kind words, Wopelka!

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:04 am

Gordon, I've only used the Kontakt demo, but don't you just click on the little Browser button, then navigate through your hard disk on the left hand pane to find the wav sample you want to import? Seemed fairly straightforward, or am I missing something?

Not found it - all I find that make sound are my GPO and Sonic Station patches! Fpr my Graveyard samples, if I drag them onto the empty instrument nothing happens. Where do they go?

Barnadine · Post by **Barnadine** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:08 am

Hmm. Have you checked to see that you have the midi channel set to omni?

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:11 am

No I haven't checked that - will do it tomorrow - must sleep now. I actually made two weird sounding Cameleon patches from a couple of the Graveyard samples - so mission partly accomplished.

Cheers and thanks for your patience!

Gordon

Barnadine · Post by **Barnadine** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:13 am

No worries. Sorry I wasn't much help.

slartibartfast · Post by **slartibartfast** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:58 am

Barnadine wrote: Gordon, I've only used the Kontakt demo, but don't you just click on the little Browser button, then navigate through your hard disk on the left hand pane to find the wav sample you want to import? Seemed fairly straightforward, or am I missing something?

FWIW, I find the easiest way to create a new instrument in Kontakt is to (obviously) first create a New Instrument, then open the Key Editor for that instrument. Use the browser to navigate to the .wav or other sample you want to use, then click on it and drag it onto the Key Editor and place it on the key that you want to be used as the "root" note. From there, you can click and drag on the boundaries to expand it onto other keys. There are then options for how you want the sample to be played when played on other keys other than the root note (e.g. same sample duration, different pitch - same duration, same pitch etc.).

That way you can control which keys to hit to get the appopriate sound (or sounds).

I hope this helps a little.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:06 am

drag it onto the Key Editor and place it on the key that you want to be used as the "root" note.

Oy am I an idiot. That's so logical!

Thanks Oh great planet architecht!

You™ · Post by **You™** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:08 pm

fucanay wrote:...If it makes you feel any better, I have the exact opposite problem. I can't use midi or VSTi/AU instruments worth a damn. Most of the stuff I do is almost completely audio. But I've learned a few things trying to work on the contests here and it opens up other possibilities when working on material for personal projects.

So keep trying, it'll add a whole new source of material to add to your music.

I still find uses for almost all my old outboard gear. It's dusty, noisy and a pain to program (some have a bare minimum of buttons and knobs), but there's no CPU load or latency issues and they rarely crash. I often wonder if I had been a better singer, guitar, piano or ukulele player if I would have felt compelled to learn this other stuff.

emdot_ambient · Post by **emdot_ambient** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:03 pm

Beardedone wrote:A wavetable? I have no idea how to use these. OK assuming that I can find this out, what synth?...

I just thought is came out sounding all posh-like.

I didn't go the wavetable route, but I did use samples of various songs in Absynth for some of the background sounds, along with two song samples run through Vokator.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:15 pm

Beardedone wrote:
A wavetable? I have no idea how to use these. OK assuming that I can find this out, what synth?...

I just thought is came out sounding all posh-like.

I didn't go the wavetable route, but I did use samples of various songs in Absynth for some of the background sounds, along with two song samples run through Vokator.

It's a good idea. It's just that after several years of trying with little success, I have no faith in being able to program anything useful in any VI - be it a sampler or synth. This limitation has somewhat blunted my enthusiasm of late.

emdot_ambient · Post by **emdot_ambient** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:00 pm

Beardedone wrote:...I have no faith in being able to program anything useful in any VI - be it a sampler or synth. This limitation has somewhat blunted my enthusiasm of late.

Well, to tell the truth, since I got my new DAW November last, I've been a bit of a preset whore myself. But I've always found that synth programming (on hardware or VI) easier if I start with a preset that's somewhere close to what I'm after, and then reverse engineering it . . . or just tweaking it by fiddling with the knobs.

I don't know if you heard my song Draconus Benedictine for the Benedict plug-in contest at the auditorium last month, but pretty much all the sounds in that were made by fiddling around with presets.

For my song this time, I went into Absynth3, loaded up a preset and then replaced the wavs in the preset with samples from the Graveyard. Once I found ones that seemed to work, I just fiddled with the envelopes and sample transpositions and the like.

october ordeal ... GOSSIP