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keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:03 am

I worked on my version of the long verb recreation and i got a pretty good result,imo, still far away from the original long reverb file.

Anyone care to host it for me please?

I'd love to get comments on my reverb.

angryman · Post by **angryman** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:23 am

I like the preset

CcnKÐFPChAARbthe_long_oneœthe_long_one

but this is all i get when opening the link brok. Am i missing something

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:49 am

Hi,

I haven't read all the pages, so if someone already made a CSR test, then Im sorry.

I have tried to use the same settings as Brok - but there're differences, like size (I use 40m), attack (Buildup at 50%), spread (Disperse at 25%) and so on - I haven't fine tuned yet since I dont have the time right now.

CSR Test - www.relab.dk/Test.wav

Cheers

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:27 am

Hi,

wonderful thread - so level-headed.
Happily I now own both verbs (AAR, CSR). As I said earlier over in the SR/Esoundz forum, both ones are complementing almost perfectly. So, with both verbs at hand my reverb demands are truly satisfied (and I could sell the princeton, indeed).
One important thing this thread showed my is that apparently also the AAR is quite responsive to what is coming in. Actually, I noticed this behaviour in general first with the CSR. Basically, I was quite often trying hardly to recreate those huge, lush tarnce verb tails to 100% with the AAR but was getting only say 85%, when all I may had to do was just tweak the input material a bit more to match with the reverbs sonic fingerprint. Great lesson learned in here.
BTW, I always found (and still find) that the wideness/stereo spread of the AAR could be a bit better.

cheers,
LiteOn

PS: Brok, I've posted a message pointing to this thread over in the AAR forum. I hope you don't mind

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:15 am

I'm using my ears, of course, but I don't need reverb tails that long. To me it's the short, small rooms and ambiences that show a reverbs quality - and I'm still convinced that Lexicon is superior in this domain. I'm also sure the AAs presets don't really appreciate it's potential... I remeber to have skipped through all the drum/percussion presets and found them to sound artificial... nowhere as good as Broks patch... You cannot argue about the sound of that patch on the FM-Piano, though, so I'll give it another shot I think...

defjamm wrote:
sounddesigner wrote:
uvacom wrote:
Kingston wrote:
uvacom wrote:
Most who own CSR have been using it for under 20 days while brok have been using aar for 20 years

this thread is great!

living sounds wrote: I don't usually use 7 second reverbs with the highs EQed out to test a reverb, but in this case, the AA is surely superior.
i think this is a mayor problem nowadays...people don't use their ears but their eyes...7 seconds sound like a lot and when you look at your gui you don't listen to the output of the setting, you pay too much attention on the numbers. it's the same thing with compressors and eqs, many people don't listen to what the sound might need, but look on their guis and decide because of nice looking curves and nice sounding numbers.

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c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:33 am

ttoz: are you trying to be an ass?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:33 am

Frippertronix wrote:Digital reverb is an effect. Who listens to a chorus plugin/rack unit and says "Oh, that sounds nothing like the sound of a choir when I apply it to vocals so I won't use it"? And who runs five different chorus effects on a 6 string guitar and posts a competition to see which chorus makes the guitar sound most convincingly like a 12 string?

The question is, does the reverb, or any other effect, create some kind of depth, richness, or point of interest that was lacking in the sound before, thus increasing the beauty of the track?

That's only somewhat true. One could say reverb is not an effect when the execution is PERFECT, when all you're getting is an added sound of a room/hall/ambience. Needless to say something like this is pretty much only possible with the absolute high end units that have a perfect acoustic simulation models (there's what, two of them avaiable on the world?).

With anything less it starts to become an effect, and you're absolutely right in saying reverb should be there to (de?)emphisise a certain aspect or increase the beauty of the source.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:34 am

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c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:46 am

ttoz: ok, opinion accepted... to me though it sounds very close, specially v2 and all I would have to ask myself if 200 bucks more is worth the difference.

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:48 am

One thing that I realized is that I exported at a lower volume than the original, that also makes a difference... maybe I post another version that has the same volume...

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:10 am

Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.

CSR - pants down