What the !!! Has anyone even seen this!!??

[1-2-Many]

yes I'm interested in strings.. woodwinds would be nice too.. this coupled with a wind controller seems like it would be phenomenal.. it uses so little CPU

There's a thread in the public forum asking about the possibility of strings to which the dev...

Re: Strings?
With quality, I mean just about everything. Note transitions, attacks, tone. There's a lot that need to be be in perfect tune if you want it to sound realistic. Lets just say, there are few ways of making it work, but millions of ways that sound dreadful, unfortunately.

And about the "if/when". Strings require a lot of additional technology to be developed, and I must say making promises about technology that hasn't been invented/developed would be premature, because you never know what problems you might run into on the way. There will be an attempt to develop WIVI strings, that much I can promise.

Of course, feel free to discuss strings at all time, but I must add, that at this stage you're way ahead of time. You have to remember that this company evolved around a software that target wind instruments, and we've only been around for 6 weeks and have only released perhaps one tenth of the wind instruments we aim to produce for WIVI..

So I wouldn't get too hopeful about strings, but maybe you could get a little excited about the possibility of some woodwinds ? ? ?

[djsubject]

wow!

that demo was great fun to play, even in its heavily restricted state!

the revolution has started

Subz

[Wallander]

Wow, it's been some time since I saw this thread.

There's both a PC and a Mac version. There was originally only a PC version, but the Mac versions were released a couple of weeks after the original PC release.

While strings would be possible, the synth was originally designed as a windsynth, and already has all the components necessary to develop woodwinds and brass. So currently wind instruments are the highest priority, and strings are a question for the future. One thing that is a bit unfortunate is that string controllers are way behind breath controllers, and it would be very nice to offer such compatibility.

VitaminD mentioned 5-6% CPU for the trial edition (on an old Athlon XP). On the computers we've run WIVI, the reverb uses about 6 times as much CPU as a single instrument (constant load while playing, otherwise it's neglectable). So in your case, expect each additional instrument to add about 0.9 % CPU load. But if you have a modern computer it's much less. I'm writing this post from a P4 2.8 GHz (almost four years old) and it's about half that load on this computer. Oh, and the Wah-Wah mutes uses about twice as much CPU as an ordinary instrument.

Please note that a major update will be released soon. There's a design flaw that makes the instruments sound sort of metallic when being close up/dry, but this has been addressed now. So if you've just downloaded the Trial Edition, you should check back in a few weeks and download the updated version, because there will be a huge improvement in sound. There are also other updates to the acoustics engine that will affect the sound of the Trial Edition, too.

[djsubject]

better?........ h..h...how?



Subz

[Ivan_C]

Congratulations Wallander for you soft, you have developed the best simulation of brass instruments of today And it can crush some samples only brass instruments...

One question : will you do a saxophone simulation too ?

[joshhunsaker]

i wish that at least one software dev out there would get that:

revolutionary incomparably butt-kicking $100 program =
there goes my money

and

revolutionary incomparably butt-kicking $400 program =
i just saved myself 400 dollars, yea

don't get me wrong - the program is like friggin sliced bread.

I just would rather pay 20% of the cost and slice it myself

[Tronam]

i wish that at least one software dev out there would get that:

revolutionary incomparably butt-kicking $100 program =
there goes my money

and

revolutionary incomparably butt-kicking $400 program =
i just saved myself 400 dollars, yea

don't get me wrong - the program is like friggin sliced bread.

I just would rather pay 20% of the cost and slice it myself

Have you even bothered to check the website? He's not charging anywhere near $400 for these revolutionary plug-ins. It's an unbelievable bargain as it is for what you are getting. This is seriously groundbreaking stuff.

My hats off to you, sir Wallander.

[joshhunsaker]

each tiny little set of instruments is more than a hundred...a hundred bucks can get me 5 gb worth of samples easy... that's more than enough to cover everything at a level a little less decent than the cheapest of wallander's stuff.

look at this
with the whole wallander's instruments thing you get a grand total of 12 instrument for the cost of 616 bucks!!!??

okay... let me see what i can get with 616 bucks instead of 12 instruments.

FULL VERSION of Kontact 2 (educational discount = $179 + cheapo college course to be eligible at my local 20$ a unit commiunity college is uh let me think - yeah 20 bucks - total ~ 200$)
that's uh like, what? 15 gigs?? yeah that should be enough.

Dimension Pro - $150 (another 8 gigs)

Nebula 2 - $40 (there's your convolution and everything else you could ever want in uh, around another 5 gigs of data...)

4 Front True Pianos - $180 (there's another thing not included in the wallander stuff)

i've still got like $46 bucks left so hmmm.. i'll grab a copy of reaper.

so let's look at the total here:
12 instruments
vs.
let's see (2100 presets in dimpro, probably another 2000 in kontact, a thousand or two convolutions in nebula and i assume a bunch of pianos (probably oh 12 or so)
4112 instruments

a program that's not expandable
vs.
a suite of the best hugely expandable/importable/exportable/confomable sampling programs in the world

and

no host
vs.
host

and to top it all off... a college course included in the cost.

if there is another very logical way to look at this i would love someone to explain it to me...

[Meffy]

How fortunate it is that nobody is forcing you to buy WIVI! Enjoy your new software.

[Tronam]

each tiny little set of instruments is more than a hundred...a hundred bucks can get me 5 gb worth of samples easy... that's more than enough to cover everything at a level a little less decent than the cheapest of wallander's stuff.

look at this
with the whole wallander's instruments thing you get a grand total of 12 instrument for the cost of 616 bucks!!!??

okay... let me see what i can get with 616 bucks instead of 12 instruments.

If you think a sample library is a better value for your money than WIVI, then buy them instead and be happy. How complicated is that? Everyone's perception of "value" is different and it affects how all of us choose to invest our money. Noone is forcing you to purchase these particular wind instruments. If you're patient, perhaps more of these types of instruments will emerge in the future and as their sophistication and diversity expands, maybe they'll feel more worthwhile to you. Out of curiosity, have you ever purchased a real instrument before? Such as a good quality violin, piano or guitar?

[brok landers]

if there is another very logical way to look at this i would love someone to explain it to me...

here we go:

joshhunsaker, you seem to not get the benefit from the walander vsti's:

- there's no way you can get this authentic articulation of whatever instrument you choose in a sampler ... no sampleset on a planet can do this ... the "real"-approach of the wallander vsti's cannot be beaten by samples unless ...

- the sample library for _one_ instrument would cover 100's of gigabyte easily ... show me a sampler that could stream this ammount of data from a hd, cos it's not possible to load it into ram ... still ...

- with samples for _each_ articulation you could only do blend-overs, which never would sound as realistic as the wallander stuff at all ...


the technique wallander uses (whatever that is) is groundbreaking ...
it simply allowes you to play the instrument with the articualtion possibilities the orginal instruments have, at a minimal cost of cpu and ram ... no conventional sampler/samplelibrary in the world can do this, whatever it's sized ...

essentially you pay for the freedom to for the first time be able to play the _real_ thing, instead of a static sample from a library ...

[Karmacomposer]

This dude ain't gettin it!!! If you want MASSIVE load times, random notes turning off and being forced to use samplers like the ever buggy and over expensive Kontakt 2 to ahieve LESS than what you can do instantly, cleanly, effortlessly and simply with WIVI, then go ahead and buy sample sets. More power to you. Modelled instruments solve a fundemental flaw in large-gigabyte sample sets. The hard part is finding a modelled instrument that sounds good or acts realistic. Modelled instruments can be played back expressively and more randomly, like the real instrument it is modelling, than a sample, which always sounds EXACTLY like the sample you are playing - and to make it do things you require, like legato or round robbin (to avoid making it sound like a bad early 80's sample player), you need complex scripting - requiring you to learn a scripting language (a la Kontakt 2, for example).

I would rather just play my keyboard.

Mike

[joshhunsaker]

i'm not saying that it isn't totally amazing...
i listened to the demo's - i'm no fool. That's absolutely incomparable stuff, that's why i said "incomparably butt-kicking program"

that's also why i said that if it were a hundred dollars - i would buy it

it's kind of like when plasma tv's came out. 160 degree viewing angles, sharper picture, deeper hues, better color range, no tube to burn out...absolutlely revolutionary.
Except they cost 10 times as much.

Doesn't anyone want my hard earned money??? I mean i tell you right now i would buy it if it was a hundred bucks for all the instruments that were listed in the original demo he put up on the audio forum listed at the beginning of this thread... where are the woodwinds? saxaphones? etc.?

wallander has done something truly amazing. But, just like rocketships, houses in silicon valley, and tag watches it doesn't really provide the bang per buck that i'm looking for

[Karmacomposer]

i'm not saying that it isn't totally amazing...
i listened to the demo's - i'm no fool. That's absolutely incomparable stuff, that's why i said "incomparably butt-kicking program"

that's also why i said that if it were a hundred dollars - i would buy it

it's kind of like when plasma tv's came out. 160 degree viewing angles, sharper picture, deeper hues, better color range, no tube to burn out...absolutlely revolutionary.
Except they cost 10 times as much.

Doesn't anyone want my hard earned money??? I mean i tell you right now i would buy it if it was a hundred bucks for all the instruments that were listed in the original demo he put up on the audio forum listed at the beginning of this thread... where are the woodwinds? saxaphones? etc.?

wallander has done something truly amazing. But, just like rocketships, houses in silicon valley, and tag watches it doesn't really provide the bang per buck that i'm looking for

My advice is to set up a team of people to create a similar modelling instrument, with all the time, intelligence and programming savvy that you have to PAY FOR in advance, and then let's see how much you charge. If this were another SE synth, I would be agreeing with you. This is NOT another SE synth. In fact, this instrument sits alone with zero competition. That means they can charge what they want. I personally feel their fees are fair - very fair - for what you get. By the way, you know who helped set these fees? The customers. That's right. On Northern Sound, Wallander ASKED everyone what would be fair. Most everyone agreed that $600 to even $1,000 would have been fair. So it is not even his doing that the price is what it is.

If you cannot afford it and don't have any way of getting it, simply give up and stop bitching about it. It isn't going to lower the price any less than it is. If you REALLY cannot afford it (say you are just plain broke) and are willing to work for it, why not email Wallander and see if he'll accept presets/mp3 demos/artistic skills or whatever it is that you could do to EARN a less expensive or NFR copy.

Mike

[Meffy]

@Karmacompose: Well put, complete with possibly useful creative suggestion. *applause*