Behringer V-Verb Pro - a real Lexicon and TC Killer ?

[hifiboom]

stupi-snooky

dismissed.........

[hifiboom]

and to make things clear....

I did not compare the processed sounds with the Convolution based ones just to say : hey, look it sounds so much better than a Lexicon 480L or TC xxx.
That's what some people interpreted on their own.

I just wanted to give a contrast.
I wanted to show( may I say "prove" because I own a IR-Convolver), that the unit is way better than any software-based reverbs, specially the convolution based... Many many users think that the IR-reverbs / convolution is the most realistic technique for creating reverbs. I always argued the converse.
If some people have problems with reading try again and read the first post of the thread !
If you do not understand, go back to school and if that doesn't help, call the next doctor that is experienced with mental issues... (some people even claim to be students... )


And while we are talking about reverbs, I do not have to own a 480L to know what good sounding reverb has to sound like....
these are butter and bread effects and you can hear these reverbs on nearly every buyable CD ...

So I just claim that the Behringer deliver top-notch-reverb that is on par with the other units.

If a Lex,Quantec,TC sounds slightly other is not that important....

More important is perfect dry/wet fusing and other aspects considering density and frequency behaviour

The best simulation will sound like real-world reverb. And you won't believe it.
I am familiar to this also...
So why should a unit just simulate another more expensive box?

I will be happy if it comes close to what real reverb sounds like...
And I claim (not prove) that the unit does this perfectly ...

And first plz prove that the Lexicon, Tc, etc. sound realistic...
And plz not proving it by just using recordings from real world reverb....

[ozinexile]

I wanted to show( may I say "prove" because I own a IR-Convolver), that the unit is way better than any software-based reverbs, specially the convolution based... Many many users think that the IR-reverbs / convolution is the most realistic technique for creating reverbs. I always argued the converse.

Is this a good time to argue semantics and say that the V-Verb is simply software involving (although not exclusively) convolution processes anyway , though running on DSPs.

[hifiboom]

I am not sure, but we haven't proven yet that it is based on any kind of convolution.... not even partially...

There are many people that claim many things...

Never read anything like that anywhere, also ther is nothing about that in the manual...

[snooky]

At I am not sure, but we haven't proven yet that it is based on convolution.... not even partially...

well, does it matter?

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you also said eariler that the V-verb smokes anything by TC - so that must mean the M3000 and the Mfive billion and what ever - you just keep going round in circles.

[hifiboom]

well, does it matter?

no

you also said eariler that the V-verb smokes anything by TC - so that must mean the M3000 and the Mfive billion and what ever - you just keep going round in circles.

thats called personal opinion... In Germany it is allowed to have your own opinion and to freely tell anyone
or did I say prove .... ?

well, does it matter?

Or can we come back to normal level....

[snooky]

well, does it matter?

no

you also said eariler that the V-verb smokes anything by TC - so that must mean the M3000 and the Mfive billion and what ever - you just keep going round in circles.

thats called personal opinion... In Germany it is allowed to have your own opinion and to freely tell anyone
or did I say prove .... ?

well, does it matter?

Or can we come back to normal level....

in one post you say that you didn't say the V-Verb was the best, and when I point out to you that you did, you go calling it "personal opinion" - pathetic, just admit defeat and walk away with a likkle bit of hounour...the V-verb is a fine unit, that was never the discussion, it's YOUR ATTITUDE that brings me to say these things to you!! get it?!?!

[hifiboom]

this is no fight at all...no winner, no looser

This is sharing my experiences with an electronic tool and my opinion about it...

take your M300 and try to produce something useful, than you'll get some respect from my side...

[snooky]

this is no fight at all...no winner, no looser

This is sharing my experiences with an electronic tool and my opinion about it...

take your M300 and try to produce something useful, than you'll get some respect from my side...

what do you mean by that?

I use my m300 as a DIGI interface since I have sufficient reverbs as vst..what do you want me to do?

Should I make a nice sounding reverbed sound so you can hear how nice my reverbs are?

[hifiboom]

that does mean: take active part of that discussion by delivering information,
that is useful for others.

And stop warping what I have said and not and what is proved and not and that I am a dumb ass idot etc ... thats not fine...

We should let this thread get free of that argueing and come back to a normal discussion level about reverb and specially the Behringer....

Would be real nice to have some Lexicon and TC upper class mp3 demos in this thread....

[Jason Brian Merrill]

MEMBER MUTED. Click to view...

I can see his nosehairs wiggling about, but can't hear a word...

gotta love the person who needs to proclaim for sure he has muted someone... it shows ultimate maturity.

who made you the goodhearted messiah of KVR?

you're just as a big a fony as the rest of the dickless crew - simply imlying that I'm not "mature" by a forum post is also a very childish thing to do.

Hypocrite!

im just pointing out your nonsense. i didnt say you werent mature, just that your post obviously wasnt. Its like "nyah nyah, look what i did mommy"

how am i a "fony" or a "hypocrite" ??

who is the self righteous one here?



I enjoy truth too, and i spoke it. perhaps you just didnt like it.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

it's YOUR ATTITUDE that brings me to say these things to you!! get it?!?!

ahh, your sense of righteous indignation, no doubt.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

this thread has taught me 2 new things.

hifiboom gets a little too excited about new cheap gear that sounds halfway decent

and snooky is a loser

[snooky]

it's YOUR ATTITUDE that brings me to say these things to you!! get it?!?!

ahh, your sense of righteous indignation, no doubt.

well, since I am better than the rest of you I can say what I want

[pdxindy]

that does mean: take active part of that discussion by delivering information,
that is useful for others.

And stop warping what I have said and not and what is proved and not and that I am a dumb ass idot etc ... thats not fine...

We should let this thread get free of that argueing and come back to a normal discussion level about reverb and specially the Behringer....

Would be real nice to have some Lexicon and TC upper class mp3 demos in this thread....

There is always someone who somehow feels it is their obligation to punish someone else for being human and thus less than perfect in their expression. Discussion boards have much potential to share knowledge, but often end up with mostly personal issues at the forefront.

I would really like to learn from those who have more expertise. For example, some people say, as if it is jut common knowledge that this Behringer cannot come close to a top Lexicon or TC reverb. Why? Please someone post some demo from a top unit and explain why it is superior. Such discussion is educational and enjoyable. Brok Landers started a reverb thread while back and it was very informative.