The Upsampling Your Mix Thread

[xander]

hmm, yes. Big cathedral reverbs thanks

Indeed -- that's what I'd love to hear -- big convoluted impulse responses with long, complex tails -- it's mainly what I'm interested in hearing as the product of upsampling.

One thing as well, I've recently been applying a slight, lightly tuned IR on my mastering process and this is where I am interested in the difference.

I'm not talking about FX like the mastering reverb patches in Ozone or similar, but about using upsampling to improve the overall depth characteristics of custom IRs.

Cheers,
Alex

[bduffy]

I thought they were saying that most IR's suffer when you oversample? But I can't remember exactly (so much has happened in this topic! ), and I don't use IR's very much.

Lagrange: I think you'll find most Voxengo and PSP stuff offers some kind of oversampling...Blue Cat's stuff does...

but even if they don't, any plugin that supports higher sample rates will sound better, simply because you've got more detailed audio now. Which is why DW like to upsample his master mix, so Ozone, etc, are in the highest quality. They don't necessarily have to have oversampling as a feature.

[The Chase]

Bduffy I kinda figured it would be some kind of mission impossible..

Now that I've been enlightened (once again) about this whole upsampling thing I'm thinking ,"shit what about all those dynamics plugins that spent $ on that sounded all crappy and tinny".. time to revisit the archives..

EDIT: actually looks like some plugs already offer oversampling

quote"Voxengo Elephant has built-in linear-phase oversampling"

Which leads me to belive that many others must have this also..hmmmm

L

Don't most better-sounding distortion plugs have upsampling? I mean they would kinda have to?

[Dayl]

Ok so getting back OT.. I was thinking.. if this can be done .. Why can't an opposite upsampling plugin be made? Something that could sit on the master bus? Opinions plz!

L

Any luck with ferox?

More than happy to send unless it would be deemed wrong to share freeware.

Do you mean an upsample on the master bus before export?

[bduffy]

Bduffy I kinda figured it would be some kind of mission impossible..

Now that I've been enlightened (once again) about this whole upsampling thing I'm thinking ,"shit what about all those dynamics plugins that spent $ on that sounded all crappy and tinny".. time to revisit the archives..

EDIT: actually looks like some plugs already offer oversampling

quote"Voxengo Elephant has built-in linear-phase oversampling"

Which leads me to belive that many others must have this also..hmmmm

L

Don't most better-sounding distortion plugs have upsampling? I mean they would kinda have to?

Yeah, good point.

[Lagrange]

Got it thanx Dayl and J..

[bduffy]

Word.

So who was freakin' over Ferox? Was that Kylen? What are you lovin' so much about this thing? My jury is still out on it, although I just tried it on an arbitrary drum bus, and it imparted some wonderful energy to the snare...

[Dayl]

Yeah, I wouldn't say I freak on it but its good to have when I need to get ugly with my drum kits.

I've used it on claps to get them a little more crispy, I may need to go back to the drawing board here, but didn't like what it did to my high hats & cymbals. Drums and toms can come off alright with out starting to pang back at me.

Having said that, I have put a loop through it with hmm... I dont know what the results were really. the beat sounded a little more alive (courtesy of the tape delay & Sat) but yeah, cant make my mind up about that tbh.

Depends how cruel I want to be to my breaks

Good lil freebie tho

[bduffy]

Yeah, I wouldn't say I freak on it but its good to have when I need to get ugly with my drum kits.

I've used it on claps to get them a little more crispy, I may need to go back to the drawing board here, but didn't like what it did to my high hats & cymbals. Drums and toms can come off alright with out starting to pang back at me.

Having said that, I have put a loop through it with hmm... I dont know what the results were really. the beat sounded a little more alive (courtesy of the tape delay & Sat) but yeah, cant make my mind up about that tbh.

Depends how cruel I want to be to my breaks

Good lil freebie tho

Yeah, actually, when I sit with this and play with the settings, I can get some nice thickening on a drumbeat. I'm kind of trying to coax a subtle-yet-prominent, hitting-tape feel from it, and once you match the levels (unfortunately the presets crank the output, not sure if that's necessary, but leads to that "ooh, it must be good because it's louder-type thing.), it definitely adds some nice harmonic content to the signal. Seems to be a little smoother than Magneto, et al.

[Lagrange]

Hey what audiomorphers and vocoders being oversampled.. Should I hear any difference there?

L

[xander]

I thought they were saying that most IR's suffer when you oversample? But I can't remember exactly (so much has happened in this topic! ), and I don't use IR's very much.

Lagrange: I think you'll find most Voxengo and PSP stuff offers some kind of oversampling...Blue Cat's stuff does...

but even if they don't, any plugin that supports higher sample rates will sound better, simply because you've got more detailed audio now. Which is why DW like to upsample his master mix, so Ozone, etc, are in the highest quality. They don't necessarily have to have oversampling as a feature.

In Reaktor, I can up the sample rate at any point. The difference is a HUGE plus, but so is the CPU usage (a trick learned from ew). Any FX added to any of the Reaktor suites on a higher sample rate sounds nearly crystaline comparatively. It's these that also sound better when downsampled to ISO Red Book CD masters and so forth.

You bastards!! I'm still experimenting on this (and have been all day) and my wife is threatening to 'cut me off for a week'

[Kingston]

Indeed -- that's what I'd love to hear -- big convoluted impulse responses with long, complex tails -- it's mainly what I'm interested in hearing as the product of upsampling.

One thing as well, I've recently been applying a slight, lightly tuned IR on my mastering process and this is where I am interested in the difference.

don't bother. unless you have your impulses recorded and made at 96khz (which you don't), you're just going to be wasting an incredible amount of CPU power for nothing. Impulse based plugins benefit the least of all at high rates because all of them only feature 44.1khz impulses. Cathedrals will not get bigger etc. You might have better luck with high quality algorithmic reverbs like CSR or VariVerb.

Don't most better-sounding distortion plugs have upsampling? I mean they would kinda have to?

some do, but they still sound better at 88.2/96khz (my own plugins as well). same with many compression plugins. That's why I make sure at least the super crucial drum busses get a high rate treatment. For example, TapeBus jumps to a completely different class at 96khz. You know the proper multi track tape sound you're used to hearing on beatles/rolling stones/zeppelin? you can actually do that with tapebus at 96khz and not end up as a digital mush factory.

[xander]

Indeed -- that's what I'd love to hear -- big convoluted impulse responses with long, complex tails -- it's mainly what I'm interested in hearing as the product of upsampling.

One thing as well, I've recently been applying a slight, lightly tuned IR on my mastering process and this is where I am interested in the difference.

don't bother. unless you have your impulses recorded and made at 96khz (which you don't), you're just going to be wasting an incredible amount of CPU power for nothing. Impulse based plugins benefit the least of all at high rates because all of them only feature 44.1khz impulses...

unless I have some IRs recorded at 96KHz yeah?

Cathedrals will not get bigger etc. You might have better luck with high quality algorithmic reverbs like CSR or VariVerb.

or Waves R-verb??

[kmonkey]

Kingston did you mean on Voxengo tapebus. Btw where is Aleksey these days and what about new "tape plugin" project from Voxengo? Any news.

Btw Waves IR-1 is distributed with 96k sample library...

[xander]

Btw Waves IR-1 is distributed with 96k sample library...

Indeed it is!!