KVR Audio

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:04 pm

ridiculous that there isn't a demo...

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:28 pm

Maybe, but it is pretty low cpu, and there are extensive youtube vids, if you are familiar with these sounds, its not really lacking

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:32 pm

rpc9943 wrote:Maybe, but it is pretty low cpu, and there are extensive youtube vids, if you are familiar with these sounds, its not really lacking

I only say it because, from my understanding, there is no demo because the developers are worried about users exploiting the "registry hack"...

well, what does it matter? EVERYBODIES software gets hacked..Resistance is futile in this game.

It has been proven time and again that once you start chasing the dragon you lose quality control becoming more infatuated with crack-proofing your software..

Let your product speak for itself, demo it.. People will buy it!

Hlis93 · Post by **Hlis93** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:07 pm

I was recently considering purchasing this plug, I looked for the demo and realized there is no demo. So now I'm sitting on the fence about it. I will not buy software without trying it first these days.

I've watched the vids and I'm sure it really cool but without trying it first I will not make the purchase.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:17 pm

It has been proven time and again that once you start chasing the dragon you lose quality control becoming more infatuated with crack-proofing your software..

Really? Cubase and East West Play seem to be doing fine, which pretty much proves your statement wrong.

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:33 pm

zircon wrote:
It has been proven time and again that once you start chasing the dragon you lose quality control becoming more infatuated with crack-proofing your software..
Really? Cubase and East West Play seem to be doing fine, which pretty much proves your statement wrong.

Oh wow a whole 2 programs....

Oh, air cracked cubase btw....

But if you read all of my post you would see that I mentioned the cat and mouse game which Steinberg totally submerged themsekves in with air.

They wanted to make sure that their program was so uncrackable that they bloated the code...25% of it was dedicated to protection... not very consumer friendly...

Like I said... give a demo.. people will buy ir

ckatrun411 · Post by **ckatrun411** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:04 pm

This synth is so cool. Its just about the only piece of software to buy, in the last few years, without a demo. Just listen to the mp3s. Classic! If you can't buy this synth from just listening to the examples on Plouge dot com, then you simply don't want a synth that does chip!

Altered Beast Lives!

bmot · Post by **bmot** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:15 pm

nah, great or not, i'd definitely need to demo a VSTi before buying unless it was really cheap (like under £25). It's just common sense. Software has to be well designed as well as sound great. By that i mean easy to use otherwise people like me can't get the most out of it without spending more money on preset banks. Having said that I wasn't really considering buying it as I don't need these sounds. I love the 80s computer sounds but for me they're too distinctive so unless you actually "do" chip tunes regularly you can't use them much. Oh hang on, did someone say they don't necessarily have to sound like an 8-bit 80s machine? Well, for that instance i've got loads of other synths.

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:34 pm

ckatrun411 wrote:This synth is so cool. Its just about the only piece of software to buy, in the last few years, without a demo. Just listen to the mp3s. Classic! If you can't buy this synth from just listening to the examples on Plouge dot com, then you simply don't want a synth that does chip!

Altered Beast Lives!

I want a synth that does chip....sure..

I also want a program that is compatible with my config... it isn't always about the sound..

this is like a car dealer refusing you a test drive but you have a room full of people telling you "Oh yea, the car is fast!!.. if you like fast cars, buy it!"

Nokenoku · Post by **Nokenoku** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:39 pm

I'll wait for the demo. I'm a big chiptune-fan, but I'd never buy a software without demoing it.

jonnyG · Post by **jonnyG** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:36 am

I bought it despite the lack of a demo. I've had Plogue's Bidule for years and in my experience Plogue write reliable software and in the rare case of a bug it's fixed quickly. Their support is excellent either through their own userforum or via email.

Oh, and it sounds great! [/fanboi mode]

amiga909 · Post by **amiga909** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:16 am

i'll wait for a demo too.

there a 2 reasons i can think of why plogue does not release a demo now:
1. a demo is a higher risk crackers get access to the source code
2. a demo yields to more complaints

1. i dont know how crackers are organized nowadays and how difficult it is for them to get payware. they have their suppliers in big audio shops, i guess, whereas chipsounds probably is only available via direct payment.
therefore this could be a valid reason they dont want to release a demo.

2. said in a negative way, early users are 'abused' as paying beta-testers. however, this wouldnt be fair to say so. its hard to know in advance which features or fixes are demanded by most users (eg. full automation, automap support, more presets, etc.). without demo plogue can concentrate on issues found by dedicated users, and no RTFM-users.

still, in my eyes, its not exactly user friendly if i cannot demo a software. what if i dont want any synth that doesnt work nicely with automap?

on the other hand, if u got such a quality at hand as plogue does, u can, i guess, compensate for 'special conditions' very well

Bump1 · Post by **Bump1** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:05 pm

amiga909 wrote: 2. said in a negative way, early users are 'abused' as paying beta-testers. however, this wouldnt be fair to say so. its hard to know in advance which features or fixes are demanded by most users (eg. full automation, automap support, more presets, etc.). without demo plogue can concentrate on issues found by dedicated users, and no RTFM-users.

still, in my eyes, its not exactly user friendly if i cannot demo a software. what if i dont want any synth that doesnt work nicely with automap?

I feel the same way

Notron User · Post by **Notron User** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:08 pm

Audio Damage seems to do alright without demos.

davidv@plogue · Post by **davidv@plogue** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:21 pm

Well it doesn't work at in automap at all currently and this is one of the first things that legitimate users have complained about. I surely dont want the rest of the world to bash chipsounds and have a negative view of it,
because of design issues. ARIA is a multitimbral engine, and each channel has dynamic parameters. Its a different paradigm than a fixed routing monosynth.

Thats a good part of the reason of the "no demo yet" policy.
I need to implement features that I've been nagged of not providing first.
And also to create the necessary demo limiting protections to ARIA.

I will repeat it, if you hesitate because there is no demo yet, please dont buy it until you've tried it. I just ask a little patience. I'm hard at work implementing lots of stuff.

Kind regards.

chipsounds from plogue