R.I.P., Macintosh?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

maybe there is a fully working pc boot of logic, just waiting to be unlocked...it has been recoded since 5.5.1 and is at the same stage as on the mac.....this might explain why logic updates seem to take so long and some devs think it is so bloated

The devs who worked on the PC version were let go after Steve hit the fan and some went to work on Samplitude. Now that the program runs on Intel hardware it could be that porting is not such a big deal but I doubt that resources have been expended on a hidden version.

Steve is like a kid in some ways - he's only interested in his very latest toys - and they become the focus of all the love. When Apple released their $350 plastic speakers for iPods a while back Steve (you know, a billionaire who likes gizmos) said he liked them more than his stereo (cough). If the lion's share of Apple's income comes from the iThings division then the business case for the PC division becomes a little tenuous. If IBM can walk away from selling PCs surely Apple can (and the Mac is manifestly a Personal Computer so don't nobody get cute). I think the thing is to work out which markets are going to be commodity markets in the near future. It is often said that iPods are going to be nowhere pretty soon in a world full of phones and other devices with the same capabilities and a lot more. The profitability of phones and pads looks better.

yeah...pretty much disregard that whole logic/pc spiel...was just kidding

IBM walking away from pc's didn't and couldn't spell the end of windows-based computers but only one company makes macs (or at least, after the court case) and osx aint going nowhere, legally

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

That is if you are happy having your personal data and your processing ability on some remote server.

nope...not me, thanks....backups is fine, not my whole system...thanks

[whyterabbyt]

no I cant , cause at that time I started on computers , I was deep into home computers like Amiga 500 and my Amstrad CPC 6128 so I never really followed the pc evolution before 286 models , my first pc was 486 dx at 60 hz. And I never really followed the mainframe and minicomputer thingy. So you will need to use another example to explain yourself properly.

No, I dont actually need another example just because you're too reluctant to investigate the directly relevant one; what I gave you was 'proper' enough for any reasonable purposes.

The wiki for 'mainframe' should give you all the information you need but are trying to avoid.

[kilon]

no I cant , cause at that time I started on computers , I was deep into home computers like Amiga 500 and my Amstrad CPC 6128 so I never really followed the pc evolution before 286 models , my first pc was 486 dx at 60 hz. And I never really followed the mainframe and minicomputer thingy. So you will need to use another example to explain yourself properly.

No, I dont actually need another example just because you're too reluctant to investigate the directly relevant one; what I gave you was 'proper' enough for any reasonable purposes.

Well my gut says, that I shouldnt even bother, and I alwasy follow my gut... so I guess its not your lucky day . Maybe next time you will be more lucky.

[whyterabbyt]

Well my gut says, that I shouldnt even bother, and I alwasy follow my gut... so I guess its not your lucky day . Maybe next time you will be more lucky.

i'm unlucky that you're too thick to follow a simple comparison? umm, ok. just remember that you were given that comparison as assistance when you were struggling to follow a simple hypothesis, so when you try and pretend it doesnt exist, you just like like even more of a dumbass.

[kilon]

How can it kill a MAC ?

Cloud computing. Not yet, but one day maybe. That is if you are happy having your personal data and your processing ability on some remote server.

Yeah but how free , cloud would be, and how available will it be ? How will it perform when internet connection is not always available ?

I just dont see cloud computing replacing a mac or a pc. Maybe supplement it.

[kilon]

Well my gut says, that I shouldnt even bother, and I alwasy follow my gut... so I guess its not your lucky day . Maybe next time you will be more lucky.

i'm unlucky that you're too thick to follow a simple comparison? umm, ok. just remember that you were given that comparison as assistance when you were struggling to follow a simple hypothesis, so when you try and pretend it doesnt exist, you just like like even more of a dumbass.

Well I am a dumbass expecting a thorough clear explanation of an argument from you instead of googling and using my oracle skills to guess what you think. There I have to agree with you my friend.

I am certainly a dumbass. It wont happen again, I promise.

[jonnyG]

How can it kill a MAC ?

Cloud computing. Not yet, but one day maybe. That is if you are happy having your personal data and your processing ability on some remote server.

Yeah but how free , cloud would be, and how available will it be ? How will it perform when internet connection is not always available ?

I just dont see cloud computing replacing a mac or a pc. Maybe supplement it.

Just because a minority of power users who use a computer for creative purposes don't want it doesn't mean it won't happen. Brainless consumer types would love it - a shiny touch-screen interface with all-day battery life that was silent, portable and didn't get hot. We tend to forget here that most computer users just surf, shop online, listen to tunes, watch vids and dick around with their holiday photos. They don't care about such trifles as closed software, privacy, copyright ownership, monopolies and such. Also, as long as they have access then they won't give a stuff about the people that don't. They won't give a stuff about people who actually want to use their computers for proper work either.

Apple / whoever seeds the cloud would love it too. No piracy issues, lots of opportunity for proprietary file types / drm and total control over the software people use. Brilliant.

[Kriminal]

Scanned the dozen pages and wondered if anyone noted that Apple gets about 20 percent of its revenue from desktop sales, the rest from everything else. Of course, that 20 percent is still a nice number and justifies the continued development and sale of these systems. Nothing else Apple makes does what they can do.

i said that about 8 pages back....maybe more

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[eduardo_b]

Scanned the dozen pages and wondered if anyone noted that Apple gets about 20 percent of its revenue from desktop sales, the rest from everything else. Of course, that 20 percent is still a nice number and justifies the continued development and sale of these systems. Nothing else Apple makes does what they can do.

i said that about 8 pages back....maybe more

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Ah, jumped that one.

Let me say I agree with you completely.

[kilon]

How can it kill a MAC ?

Cloud computing. Not yet, but one day maybe. That is if you are happy having your personal data and your processing ability on some remote server.

Yeah but how free , cloud would be, and how available will it be ? How will it perform when internet connection is not always available ?

I just dont see cloud computing replacing a mac or a pc. Maybe supplement it.

Just because a minority of power users who use a computer for creative purposes don't want it doesn't mean it won't happen. Brainless consumer types would love it - a shiny touch-screen interface with all-day battery life that was silent, portable and didn't get hot. We tend to forget here that most computer users just surf, shop online, listen to tunes, watch vids and dick around with their holiday photos. They don't care about such trifles as closed software, privacy, copyright ownership, monopolies and such. Also, as long as they have access then they won't give a stuff about the people that don't. They won't give a stuff about people who actually want to use their computers for proper work either.

Apple / whoever seeds the cloud would love it too. No piracy issues, lots of opportunity for proprietary file types / drm and total control over the software people use. Brilliant.

I dont disagree with you , most people just surf the net, and do stuff that an ipad can do.

Actually if it was not of my hobbies, like music, 3d graphic , ipad could easily replace my imac.

But sadly it cant.

And cloud computing is certainly interesting, I am very interested. I am just sceptical by nature.

I said it before and I will say it again, ipad , is not a toy, is a powerful useful tool. But you will be suprised how many people actually want a powerful processor.

Gamers want one. Artist want one and there are many artist out there. Businesses want one. Professional want one and the list goes on. And by the time the limitations of ipad hit you and you have maxed its very limited 1GHz Cpu , it wont be long before you start or any user even the dump ones start to crave for a mac.

And that is the trap that Apple creates here with iPad. Its alure for the macs, and not a mac killer. Its a way to get more people addicted to MACOS and Apple style , a way to expand the loyal fan base.

[Compyfox]

I'm not sure i'm allowed to say. Forum rules and whatnot.

Then I got my answer... the Mac obviously isn't dead.
The rest is just hot air and recourring Mac vs PC stuff anyway.

Have fun discussing.

[UltraJv]

why hasnt he re-assured Mac owners?

read through the thread again....do mac owners seem to need reassurance ???

as justin3am said, it will be quite a quick changeover if it does go breasts-up...the only thing i use, music wise, that doesn't have a pc version is logic pro...

maybe there is a fully working pc boot of logic, just waiting to be unlocked...it has been recoded since 5.5.1 and is at the same stage as on the mac.....this might explain why logic updates seem to take so long and some devs think it is so bloated

Of course Mac owners need re-assurance, from Jobs. Youre not going to get it though. Pages of insecurity and having to defend what Jobs cant is what I see. It happened during rumours of the transition to X86. Mac owners were saying that he wouldnt do that as they had invested $$$s in PowerPC CPU kit and its far better than Intel coz Steve said so. Its planned so it wont happen quickly. My guess a year maybe less. Thats why he hinted at it. You wont see adverts saying "Hi, its Steve, sorry but Mac is dead" - bad for business, itll happen quietly. This entire thread is based on what he has said. He obviously knew it was going to cause unrest but he dosnt care.

[whyterabbyt]

Well I am a dumbass expecting a thorough clear explanation of an argument from you

you're a dumbass for trying to pretend you were getting an argument from me. actually i was trying to help you understand that the thing you were saying culdnt happen has already happened.
if you were having a hard time accepting that because its too difficult a concept, then that's a shame for you. otoh, if you were having a hard time accepting that because you didnt want to accept that, then yes, you're a dumbass, but no, i still wasnt arguing with you.

the exchange went like this:

someone : X is being replaced by Y
you : no its not, Y isnt like X so it wont replace it
me : why not, after all A replaced B
you : but X isnt like Y so how can it replace it
me : A wasnt like B and replaced it.

and so on.

as it is, im not convinced of the original hypothesis, so im hardly arguing in favour of it. saying that a historical precendent exists isnt an argument for either side, though.

instead of googling and using my oracle skills to guess what you think.

its not something i 'think' its a real-world historical example of what you said couldnt happen. cars arent like horse-drawn carriages either.

I am certainly a dumbass. It wont happen again, I promise.

I bet you it does.

[justin3am]

Of course Mac owners need re-assurance, from Jobs.

No we don't. Some people may have some delusion that consumer electronics are a status symbol or believe the misconception that one tool can be inherently better than another but most don't.

Just because I prefer to use OSX on an Apple computer doesn't mean I couldn't easily move to Windows on some other hardware. Sure I'd be bummed but I know that if I can't adapt to changing technology, my career is over.