XILS Roland Vocoder VP-330 Plus - NEW SYNTH

[Kriminal]

I clicked on this thread today expecting to see people talking about the new synth which looks very tasty indeed.

Its not been released yet, so not much to talk about. Soon as the demo is out im sure it will be discussed in depth.

[Ingonator]

Besides discussion themes, perhaps you were hoping for audio demos ? Ingonator {a beta tester} indicated that beta testers have been instructed NOT to post demos while the A/B comparison competition is running. So what you are missing out on in that respect, due to 'distraction', is nothing you wouldn't have been missing out on anyway.

This is not exactly true and also not what i said.

PS:
I was asked by PM why i hesitate to post audio demos now. One reason is that if i post examples of V+ now it could be maybe be easier for those who participate in the competition to know which is which.

I wanted to post a few demos i made but then thought it would be unfair while the competition is runnning. The reason is that if i post examples of V+ it could be easier to see which is which in the competition demos.

There is still time posting demos when the competition is over and the pre-order week will start. This could also reduce the "risk" you are concerned about...

BTW it's also quite "risky" for a company to post A/B demos before an official release and it shows they are quite self-confident.
At the beta forum i have also seen a video where the hardware is compared to V+ which was quite impressive IMO. I guess this will be published soon.
AFAIK comparisons with both a VP-330 MkI and a MkII are planned.


Ingo

[ChiTown24]

Besides discussion themes, perhaps you were hoping for audio demos ? Ingonator {a beta tester} indicated that beta testers have been instructed NOT to post demos while the A/B comparison competition is running. So what you are missing out on in that respect, due to 'distraction', is nothing you wouldn't have been missing out on anyway.

This is not exactly true and also not what i said.

I wanted to post a few demo i made but then thought it would be unfair while the competition is runnning. The reason is that if i post examples of V+ it could be easier to see which is which in the competition demos.

There is still time posting demos when the competition is over and the pre-order week will start. This could also minimize the "risk" you are concerned about...


Ingo

Hmm, well it's not an unreasonable inference {which you could have conceded, btw} given this is what you said:

I wanted to post audio demos but those would interfere with the competition. I am sure it will be no problem to post more demos after the competition is over and the preorder will start.

Saying it would interfere with the competition seemed pretty authoritative. Saying it would be 'no problem' to post the demos when the competition is over implies that posting them before hand would be. a problem that is. aren't those things for xils-lab to decide ? I dunno. But I see now how you could be meaning something else.

At any rate. Despite that fact, the net result is identical as well as the point being made. So please forgive me for not getting your quote exactly right. Thanks for pointing the discrepancy out!

btw;

The reason is that if i post examples of V+ it could be easier to see which is which in the competition demos.

very interesting! straight from the beta-testers mouth. what I'm inferring here is that you feel the emulation & the real thing would become more distinguishable should we be exposed to extra demos of the emulation on it's own.
care to correct me on that ?

[Ingonator]

very interesting! straight from the beta-testers mouth. what I'm inferring here is that you feel the emulation & the real thing would become more distinguishable should we be exposed to extra demos of the emulation on it's own.
care to correct me on that ?

Again this is not what i implied with your comment.

Anyway people with "good ears" could be maybe able to use additional V+ demos that i post to identify which is which. I did not tell it's totally obvious.

BTW the solution is not posted in the Beta forum yet. There was just a "test competition" to see if it's too easy or too difficult (nobody had all examples correct).

If Lotuzia and Xavier are reading this and tell posting audio demos now is OK i could post some soon.


As a conclusion you should start to relax and also stop posting "speculations".


Ingo

[ChiTown24]

Again this is not what i implied

hehe, yes of course. which is why I asked for your correction in advance
Never-the-less, there is something very... freudian about your initial statements & reluctance to post audio demos. seeing it as a problem with respect the emulation VS the.real.thing competition, making the emulation easier to identify you fear.

but you've set us straight as to what precisely you meant and mean, and that's what's important! now we all know what's what. thanks again for bringing this point up! I think we're all in a more knowledgeable place because of it

[Tricky-Loops]

OMG, I read this thread and I'm absolutely shocked: Is there really a Pre-Order??

[Lotuzia]

^^^ {regarding my previous post, above electro's}

And now the penny drops. Lotuzia concocted this scheme, and Lotuzia is a content vendor. The genesis of the gimmick now makes perfect, though regrettable, sense.

Xavier - please, for the sake of marketing your wonderful DSP in a manner worthy of it's quality, tell Lotuzia to keep his content peddling gimmicks to himself in the future. Thanks mon ami

Enough. For your information I have NEVER made a preorder for any of my soundbanks. End of.

And i'm also the one who invented the Masks, and much other things that you might enjoy, or less, in Xils synths.

You were the only one to focus in an increasing direspectuous way for the pre order offer, when everybody else thought it might be a good idea. You decided that it wasnt. For your knowledge, all decisions regarding marketing are taken in common, and well thought.

You decided it was a bad thing. You also read, like me, that some different people had a very different perception of the pre order than tou, You made your choice to prefer the standard 50€ bargain, and nobody did tell you that your choice was wrong. At the opposite we said it was a valid choice, and that we had tought of that too. But ùy feeling is now that you want to impose your personal choice to everybody, and assume that their choice is bad. Not beeing able to understand that different people might think in a different way than you about what is good, or acceptable, or not, is not a very good thing imho about the democracy you invoke.

then, you made two false assertions about me, about the dongle thread, and now about the method I use on my site with my own company, showing very few respect for my work. This is two things that should not happen, for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable as you pretend to be. Then dont pretend i'm rude with you : You just showed me the way.

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And to Niels ( Nielzie ) ; No worries Niels, i know that you're not trolling. I respect people who dont want dongles, and perfectly understand their reasons. No problems with that at all; Xils Lab makes dongle and non dongled units. Xils-Lab dont communicate on our sales figures. there will probably be dongled and non dongled instruments in the future. The V+ is dongled.

LtZ

[ChiTown24]

^^^ {regarding my previous post, above electro's}

And now the penny drops. Lotuzia concocted this scheme, and Lotuzia is a content vendor. The genesis of the gimmick now makes perfect, though regrettable, sense.

Xavier - please, for the sake of marketing your wonderful DSP in a manner worthy of it's quality, tell Lotuzia to keep his content peddling gimmicks to himself in the future. Thanks mon ami

Enough.

An interesting way to start a five paragraph post directed at me.
Have you ever heard Bill Hicks tell the anecdote about when a hillbilly kept pushing him aggressively after a gig while saying "come here!" Reminds me of that.

Well, on with the response I guess

For your information I have NEVER made a preorder for any of my soundbanks. End of.

Didn't say you did. I just said that it makes sense that a content vendor came up with this make believe pre-order scheme, seeing as it's such a common gimmick employed by content vendors. if amused is to be believed about how common these pre-order gimmicks are anyway. With respect content vendors at least, I think he's right. I've acknowledged kick-starteresque projects earlier on, and how they came to varying degrees of success, but I can't really think of any other instance where a plugin developer asked their customer base to buy the plugin without demoing it, on the basis of some A/B tests & a screenshot 8 days before they release a demo, in order to save 10 euros on a 100 euro purchase. This depth you're plumbing... it's new. to me at least. certainly very uncommon.

For your knowledge, all decisions regarding marketing are taken in common, and well thought.

I asked you a simple question earlier, at the end of a lengthy post;;

who concocted this scheme, btw ?

To which you replied in a lengthy post of your own;;

I concocted this scheme, and take all the responsability for it.

So imagine my surprise now that you tell me the decisions are "taken in common" ?
BTW in looking up that post, I noticed you claim that Elicenser transfers are free. Are you saying that elicenser protected xils-lab products can be transferred electronically ? That would be good if true. Otherwise suggesting elicenser transfers are 'free' is disingenuous at best. An elicenser dongle is not free. posting it is not free. e-licenser transfers have to be done physically these days, unless xils-lab is one of the exceptions. please confirm.

You decided it was a bad thing.

I observed that it is a bad thing. BTW Three people I've never exchanged a word with online before today joined the discussion to agree with me. So, three people at least that I didn't 'impose' my beliefs on. The others - I simply replied to. I don't think it's a bad thing to reply to people when they're addressing you. Or defend your arguments when they are directly challenged. That's usually how a discussion works Lotuzia.

then, you made two false assertions about me, about the dongle thread, and now about the method I use on my site with my own company, showing very few respect for my work. This is two things that should not happen, for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable as you pretend to be. Then dont pretend i'm rude with you : You just showed me the way.

'false' assertion number 1: the dongle thread.
What do you mean false assertion ? In defense of this make believe pre-order scheme that you earlier claimed to have personally concocted {but as of your last post now seem to attribute to a common decision made between you & xavier?}, you said;;

After all, at this price, it wont be taht much trouble to resell it after in the market price without suffering a big loss ( maybe 10/15 € ? )

to which I replied;;

You say that as if you haven't seen so many xils-lab threads destroyed with dongle talk, you say it as if you yourself have not also created a dedicated dongle discussion thread to abate this very behaviour. re-selling dongled stuff isn't as easy-going as software protected by other methods.

So where is this false assertion you are claiming ? You offered a response on page 10, saying you did it in aid of Exponential Audio's reverb effects. Ya. I know. What's your point ? That's not contrary to the point I made - which can be broken down thusly [1] you know, with absolute certainty, that a sizeable amount of kvr posters hate dongles and you know this from seeing it in xils-lab threads. [2] you went to the trouble of starting a dedicated thread about dongles to try and stop people who hate dongles from derailing a thread. It hardly matters if it's an Exponential Audio fx or a Xils-Lab fx, it proves your cognizance of the issue which is all that needs to be said. In short, and given those two points, it beggars belief that you would so glibly say "After all, at this price, it wont be taht much trouble to resell it after in the market price without suffering a big loss ( maybe 10/15 € ? )". Nice way to treat your userbase, so casually dumping a chore in their lap



'false' assertion number 2: "the method I use on my site with my own company"
what ? you mean the make believe pre-order schemes employed by content vendors ?
Where's the false assertion ? You were asked earlier who concocted the scheme, you plainly & flatly stated it was all your idea. Then, as I stated to you already further up this post, it later occurred to me that it made sense that a content vendor would concoct such a ill-conceived scheme. And it does. Maybe it's an assertion, to think it makes sense, but I don't think it's false.
BTW, what knowledge is it I'm pretending to have ? and why should possessing that knowledge prevent me from seeing things the way I do ?

Thanks, hope this clears things up for you!

[murnau]

@ Lotuzia:

a friend point me to it, in the newsletter it says:

Preorder the V+ is possible : You can Preorder the XILS V+ for a discounted price of 89€ ($115), from May 17th until May 25th.

Launch offer : from May 25th until June 30th, the XILS V+ will be 99€ ($129) .

shouldn't it be until May 24th for the Preorder?

thanx you in advance!

[donato]

@ Lotuzia:

a friend point me to it, in the newsletter it says:

Preorder the V+ is possible : You can Preorder the XILS V+ for a discounted price of 89€ ($115), from May 17th until May 25th.

Launch offer : from May 25th until June 30th, the XILS V+ will be 99€ ($129) .

shouldn't it be until May 24th for the Preorder?

thanx you in advance!

Why? If it said that then it would be implied that the product could not be ordered on the day of May 24th.

[Crackbaby]

Maybe you could colorcode your posts so yellow = dongle, red = preorder, normal = the product, off topic = green, audio demos = flashing white

[Kriminal]

I would say buying a product by ANY company without testing is a bad idea. There are so many computer variables, its best to test a product first. Its not about trust/faith/loyalty. A company has never release a bug free product, simply because you cannot test on every variation of computer/software....

[murnau]

you are right Kriminal but here we have a plugin/dll. i'm pretty sure that this will work the way expected.

for a v1.0 of course..

about my post regarding the newsletter: for krauts like us here it reads like they are two prices on may 25th. thats why i ask.

[Kriminal]

you are right Kriminal but here we have a plugin/dll. i'm pretty sure that this will work the way expected.

Really? Alchemy didnt work at all here when it was released (it wasnt compatible with my old cpu at the time) It was fixed of course, but it goes to show all variables have not been tested

[murnau]

yeah, sure if you have an old cpu you must test it for compatiblity. anyway, it's to everyone themself to decide: so i'm pretty sure my new cpu will take it like it take every other dll till now.