omnisphere! criky damn this synth is just no words awesome.

[BBFG#]

Your quoting is broken and misrepresented.
And apparently you haven't read enough through the thread.
My last query was simply an open door to the granular section, which I've only got to once, but being there scared the Ilio rep.

Uncle E answered in that it doesn't give the detail editing I would expect, didn't compare to Alchemy in that regard and was more effect than synthesis. If you have a different input that disagrees with him, I'm open to hearing it. Otherwise,I would rather leave it alone for the time being.





'Sumbubble' - lol.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Uncle E answered in that it doesn't give the detail editing I would expect...[/size]

Is that a nickname for me?

Edit: nevermind, I see there is an actual Uncle E. I answered you too about that.

[bmrzycki]

I bought Omni to study Eric's patch-making style. I thought of it as an extensive applied patch reference manual to synth sounds. Love him or hate him Eric has a specific sound he likes to make. The fact that I got a good sounding synth out of the deal was more of a take-home bonus.

I bought Trilian as a reference of vintage hardware samples to study some of the waveforms. Squares and saws from some of the classics sound (and look) very different from the idealized digital waveforms. There's a lot of good raw sounds in the soundsources.

I don't regret buying either of them and I'd like to think they've helped me grow in creating my own sounds.

[mwalthius]

Well i am not a party pooper and of course Omnisphere is worth every penny and a lot more but to some of us most of the times can be worthless. To a Sound Designer is basically nothing. What i can hear in it i can basically recreate...(oh yes i know the burning Piano stuff)...i am not talking about it, we can probably recreate that too but my point is, anything that's in Omnisphere can be easily recreated. If you read on their own site what is Omnisphere you will know exactly what i am talking about...i can actually prove this.

But there are 7,000+ sounds that ship with Omnisphere, but the point is that you didn't create them. Some other guys with a lot of imagination put in a ton of time and effort, and now you say you can copy what they did? No doubt you could also design the coffee cup, too. And how about the bicycle?

[ghettosynth]

I bought Omni to study Eric's patch-making style. I thought of it as an extensive applied patch reference manual to synth sounds. Love him or hate him Eric has a specific sound he likes to make. The fact that I got a good sounding synth out of the deal was more of a take-home bonus.

I can see that. It's certainly a condensed lesson. I agree with you that Eric has a sound but he took a bit of offense at my calling it the Roland rompler sound. That is what the sounds remind me of though, and I'm talking all the way back to the mid 90s. The JD-800 has multi-point envelopes and layered tones per patch, great effects, and a substandard multimode filter. Of course the filters in Omnisphere are much better than the JD series, but I can see why that heritage led to his style and also why his design style has led to many of the features in Omnisphere. It strikes me as more of a "west coast" style, in a sense.

So, cmon, share with us one or two of the interesting things that you learned, that's the kind of detail that many people want to discuss?

I bought Trilian as a reference of vintage hardware samples to study some of the waveforms. Squares and saws from some of the classics sound (and look) very different from the idealized digital waveforms. There's a lot of good raw sounds in the soundsources.

Can you estimate what percentage of the synth samples in Trilian are unfiltered? Do most of the (synth) sounds rely on the built in filters for resonant filter effects?

[noiseboyuk]

Another week, another bluster-full Spectrasonics KVR thread started by someone who had the audacity to say he really liked it.

"Emporer's new clothes".... sigh....

For me, the single biggest reason why I choose Omni more than all the other synths I own is that it is by far the fastest to work with. The tag browser is in a class of its own. I'm usually close to where I want to be in seconds. I have no problem with using presets, though most of the time I tweak the sound a fair bit to make it my own, and I find the actual editing side of it intuitive too. Conceptually its the best designed VI synth I've seen, not paying even lip service to a hardware paradigm, it embraces a totally different method more suited to computer based working. Very logical to me.

And it's very versatile. And sounds great.

Of course, by saying positive things that makes me a fanboy in the eyes of many here at KVR, as opposed to a working professional media composer who can appreciate a well designed product. For me, speed of use and versatility are prime considerations. I don't have the time to spend a week building a sound from scratch (to be fair, this is exactly what Hans Zimmer does, but with the greatest of respect to the great man, much of my stuff has to be in and out the door in a day).

I have Massive and the other NI synths, Nexus 2 which is terrific for generic / derivative / authentic EDM, but none come close to Omni from a design / versatility perspective.

[BBFG#]

Omni is something that academically intrigues me when I look at the specs. And has some nice sounds when I get to hear the few minutes of demos mixed into the many minutes of talking about and around it.
Albeit the sounds don't show the academics in much relationship.
Users speak in testimonials and post their own examples which still only show the smallest of what it may do in relationship to those specs.
Yes, it's very clear that those that own it have an emotional connection to it. And just as clear to many of us, that's all.
And I'm not putting down the emotional side, as that has its place in every instrument we choose. But it's not, should not , and can't be the one and only factor for making a blind purchase.
And that's the real problem. Most VIs have a way to let you try before you buy and if Spectra followed the market model, it would too. But it doesn't and it depends on these testimonials, sales pitches, and small sound bites to make a person buy it without any real examination of the product(s). So these threads become almost a necessity and trying to get others to stop giving testimonials and answer some questions becomes the norm. Although that proves mostly fruitless.
So it becomes an interesting show in the psychology of it's user base since it's appears somewhat cult-like and very pattern-istic in timing and method. But not much else.
What is inspiring is the growing number of people that see this and remain in the position of questioning until the emotional guard is let down and hopefully a real 'nuts and bolts' discussion can take place over these emotional debates whose ends are always the same.
The 'sumbubble' may have to pop first. Or Spectra could find a way for people to try it before they buy it. Then these thread, as they are, would be completely unnecessary and take a different tone completely.

[noiseboyuk]

BBFG - I think you're over thinking it. I use it cos its very quick in use, incredibly versatile and sounds great...

[BBFG#]

A month or so ago, I became interested in Trilian since what I use may not cross the 64 bit Rubicon intact.
I find Trilian thin but very clean and without samples that lead to over doing it where it's not needed and know it can be thickend easily through amp-sims (theoretically). The latest MP3 audio pages @ Spectrasonics shows it off well, although only in context with natural instruments and no demos of it by itself.
But since Eric himself assured us it could be taken for a test drive at any authorized major music store, I set out to do so.
I've called one store (who is a dealer/kvr member) here to set a time since it is 100 miles there and got a quite irate associate giving me the spiel that they won't waste their time on someone wanting to demo it first, but they were willing to sell it over the phone to anyone with 'blind faith'.
I played Omni at the trade show for about two hours, but wasn't interested in Trilian at the time, although I heard someone else playing it and made the temporary conclusion of its 'thinness'.
Since then, I've been four times to three stores that carry it and been able to log about four or five hours more at one of them. The rest had it, but didn't allow demos. And only on Omni, Trilian was not available at all, except for purchase.
Omni is indeed, fairly quick and simple with promises to be deeper. But I haven't found that depth yet. Which is why I ask here before my next visit to the store.
And It probably is in the long run something I don't need as Uncle E points out. (Sales).
But Trilian is what does interest me and all I need is five or ten minutes playing it to confirm whether I want it or not. As Uncle E points out, Omni becomes the more complete host for Trilian and that, by itself, becomes any continued interest in Omni.
Ironically it seems that nothing kills that interest in them more than the people that sell and use it though.

[declan32001]

Your quoting is broken and misrepresented.
And apparently you haven't read enough through the thread.
My last query was simply an open door to the granular section, which I've only got to once, but being there scared the Ilio rep.

Uncle E answered in that it doesn't give the detail editing I would expect, didn't compare to Alchemy in that regard and was more effect than synthesis. If you have a different input that disagrees with him, I'm open to hearing it. Otherwise,I would rather leave it alone for the time being.
'Sumbubble' - lol.

The granular synthesis in Omnisphere is not a good reason to buy it, and you have been told this many times and you always want more detail. I guess if I scared an Ilio rep I'd have bizarre issues too.

[Gamma-UT]

Your quoting is broken and misrepresented.
And apparently you haven't read enough through the thread.
My last query was simply an open door to the granular section, which I've only got to once, but being there scared the Ilio rep.

Uncle E answered in that it doesn't give the detail editing I would expect, didn't compare to Alchemy in that regard and was more effect than synthesis. If you have a different input that disagrees with him, I'm open to hearing it. Otherwise,I would rather leave it alone for the time being.
'Sumbubble' - lol.

The granular synthesis in Omnisphere is not a good reason to buy it, and you have been told this many times and you always want more detail. I guess if I scared an Ilio rep I'd have bizarre issues too.

He doesn't want more information. He keeps banging on about wanting it but shows zero interest when the information turns up, preferring to complain about bubbles and other ephemera. Classic tyre-kicker behaviour.

[BBFG#]

On the contrary, I would like more information and am quite open to whatever that brings. I'm just aware that it can't be found with its users or sales representatives at this time.

He who doesn't kick tires and counts the spare, drives off and often gets stuck with a flat in the middle of nowhere.
Likewise, if you don't check under the hood, you may find yourself blowing smoke sooner than you thought.

[Krakatau]

The granular synthesis in Omnisphere is not a good reason to buy it,

it's might be me but, for a sound design purpose (i'd even say SAMPLE design), my feeling is that it's likely the best tool in omnisphere to be truly creative/innovative using the huge but only included library in where, you can't touch the, so to say, sample edit stage, (nor import your own samples, so far...)Not to mention again that It is undoubtely unique in quality, there's nothing to quibble about it

Unfortunately these same reasons makes that it becomes odd to consider such an (hyper)convoluted library as a raw material for your own sound design

...one of the rare unachieved point into the conception of Omnisphere, IMO

[AstralExistence]

BBFG - I think you're over thinking it. I use it cos its very quick in use, incredibly versatile and sounds great...

so after having it for a bit what i love, what i don't. speed. given theirs over 8000 patches, i find for me, i dont really go that deep into it, nor do i feel the need to. the programming is top notch, i find my omnisphere workflow consists of,

choosing a patch, (always has to be sample based because omnispheres sample library is what does it for me.) changing the samples, filter, octave. doing that just alone, would give somebody unlimited sounds.

sometime i i don't even do that, im perfectly happy just using omni in multimode. layering presets is an even faster way to make something really unique very quickly, and this also, just the same with no tweaking at all gives the user unlimited sounds.

lastly, the orb is so fun to use and always randomizes perfectly with no weird results.

i love how omni looks gui wise. the ergonomics are great too. the only thing, i don't like, but at the same time don't really care about since that's not how i use omnispheres anyway is the no next/previous lack of scroll wheel functions in the mod matrix, filters, and other parameters when using omnisphere as a sound design tool.

one must manually click each time to select an option vs something like synapse dune where all options can be scrolled or in propellerhead preason where there little up and down arrows for everything.

but this is so minor given i don't go to deep into omnisphere. oh, and one more thing i don't like is patch loading time. it can take a second or two for each patch with samples to load, but synth based patches load immediately.

not once yet have i had any kind of buyers remorse. none.

[basslinemaster]

it took about 3 hours to install but think it was shorter (not sure how long it really took cause i kept coming back to check on the progress and change disk) i played one note the first bassy arp patch and knew right away that this is the best synth i ever heard in my life ...

So Astral, how did you manage to miss all the classes in school where they taught you how to use capital letters at the start of the first word in a sentence, and for proper nouns, etc.etc.etc. How do you manage to ignore what you see every time you read a book or a magazine, or a newspaper (or am I hoping for too much) and just write the way you do?