New Sonar Platinum Update

[Jace-BeOS]

what happened to the roiling update for
Workspaces
Is is no longer on the Rolling page.

They changed the name to Lenses. Lenses not only save windows state, but also customized menus and different Control Bar configurations, so they thought that they go beyond what most people would understand as Workspaces, and deserved a different name.

"Workspaces" is a way better term for this than "Lenses".

[lfm]

So now there are screensets and lenses - and to some degree mix recall is related too.

Would't just allowing presets for control bar or menus do the same thing, and more easily managed?

You can already save presets for menus and keyboard shortcuts as I recall.

You only get a lot of more features needed to recall one and not the other - like mix recall has.
Or to merge and replace menu part - or not.

Cakewalk is just complicating things as they work on their own ideas - and never bother with top voted feature requests like making staff view on par with what Cubase has, and arrange view/tracks as Cubase has. And they are to build a feature request system into Sonar as I understood, instead of just acting on the forum they have for this. They are just biting around the bush, kind of, never getting to the real features needed.

I think Sonar is a stunning daw, but why not floor everything else there is by taking on the little harder features as well. I saw no future in Sonar, and left for Cubase because of this.

[1wob2many]

They are just biting around the bush

Isn't that what pubic lice do?

[JoseC.]

So now there are screensets and lenses - and to some degree mix recall is related too.

Would't just allowing presets for control bar or menus do the same thing, and more easily managed?

You can already save presets for menus and keyboard shortcuts as I recall.

You only get a lot of more features needed to recall one and not the other - like mix recall has.
Or to merge and replace menu part - or not.

An explanation of what lenses are, by the CTO:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3522271

[whyterabbyt]

So now there are screensets and lenses - and to some degree mix recall is related too.

Would't just allowing presets for control bar or menus do the same thing, and more easily managed?

You can already save presets for menus and keyboard shortcuts as I recall.

You only get a lot of more features needed to recall one and not the other - like mix recall has.
Or to merge and replace menu part - or not.

An explanation of what lenses are, by the CTO:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3522271

Yeah 'lenses' implies 'focussed view' where 'workspaces' just implies 'places for tools'

[cryophonik]

what happened to the roiling update for
Workspaces
Is is no longer on the Rolling page.

They changed the name to Lenses. Lenses not only save windows state, but also customized menus and different Control Bar configurations, so they thought that they go beyond what most people would understand as Workspaces, and deserved a different name.

"Workspaces" is a way better term for this than "Lenses".

Totally agree. "Lenses" implies magnification, not exactly what this feature seems to do.

[JoseC.]

what happened to the roiling update for
Workspaces
Is is no longer on the Rolling page.

They changed the name to Lenses. Lenses not only save windows state, but also customized menus and different Control Bar configurations, so they thought that they go beyond what most people would understand as Workspaces, and deserved a different name.

"Workspaces" is a way better term for this than "Lenses".

Totally agree. "Lenses" implies magnification, not exactly what this feature seems to do.

Well, if we are going to discuss semantics, "magnification" implies a view of detail instead of the whole picture, and that is exactly what this feature does

[lfm]

So now there are screensets and lenses - and to some degree mix recall is related too.

Would't just allowing presets for control bar or menus do the same thing, and more easily managed?

You can already save presets for menus and keyboard shortcuts as I recall.

You only get a lot of more features needed to recall one and not the other - like mix recall has.
Or to merge and replace menu part - or not.

An explanation of what lenses are, by the CTO:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3522271

Yeah 'lenses' implies 'focussed view' where 'workspaces' just implies 'places for tools'

Thanks for link.

I can't say this crystal sharp - it seems to overlap what screensets do.
Why not call it screensets v2.0 and an extension to that with the other stuff optional checkboxes or similar.

But lenses seem to mimic some that made me interested in StudioOne once, a mode for tracking, one for mixing, one for mastering etc. But that is what I used screensets for in Sonar. Screensets cover positions of views etc.

So Screenset Extensions or something seems more clear to me as a term, and you already have the selection pads and spots in control bar for that. You have operations to copy screenset from another project etc.

But I probably just did not read deep enough....

[cryophonik]

what happened to the roiling update for
Workspaces
Is is no longer on the Rolling page.

They changed the name to Lenses. Lenses not only save windows state, but also customized menus and different Control Bar configurations, so they thought that they go beyond what most people would understand as Workspaces, and deserved a different name.

"Workspaces" is a way better term for this than "Lenses".

Totally agree. "Lenses" implies magnification, not exactly what this feature seems to do.

Well, if we are going to discuss semantics, "magnification" implies a view of detail instead of the whole picture, and that is exactly what this feature does

Yeah, I get it, but it's not as intuitive to me. When I think of lenses, my intuition tells me that it's another version of that magnifier thing (that seemed useful when announced, but I never use it). Ultimately, I don't really care what they call it, but "lenses" just seems to be an misleading term, based on the description. Maybe it will make more sense once I see it in action, though.

[Kalamata Kid]

what happened to the roiling update for
Workspaces
Is is no longer on the Rolling page.

They changed the name to Lenses. Lenses not only save windows state, but also customized menus and different Control Bar configurations, so they thought that they go beyond what most people would understand as Workspaces, and deserved a different name.

"Workspaces" is a way better term for this than "Lenses".

Totally agree. "Lenses" implies magnification, not exactly what this feature seems to do.

Well, if we are going to discuss semantics, "magnification" implies a view of detail instead of the whole picture, and that is exactly what this feature does

Yeah, I get it, but it's not as intuitive to me. When I think of lenses, my intuition tells me that it's another version of that magnifier thing (that seemed useful when announced, but I never use it). Ultimately, I don't really care what they call it, but "lenses" just seems to be an misleading term, based on the description. Maybe it will make more sense once I see it in action, though.

Lenses to me conjures up an image of a magnifier. Developers often do this to be different. Why use DOWN when you mean UP as an extreme example.

[koolkeys]

When I hear the term "lenses", I think of seeing the world through different lenses. Not of magnification. I have lenses in my glasses, but they don't magnify. They help me see the world differently. You can get different lenses on a camera that allow a wider field of view, or to add filters to the image, and yes, even magnification. But that is just a small portion of the use for lenses in the real world.

You can get 3-D lenses that filter in and out various colors to give a different effect. You can have UV-blocking lenses. You have lenses that can reduce glare. It's all about seeing the world more efficiently and differently based on the lense. So imagine you had a wall full of colors, but you wanted to see all the colors except purple. You would then put on glasses that filtered out the purple. Etc. etc.

So to me, the term "lenses" is just fine. It helps you see the program through different lenses. I think it makes perfect sense, honestly.

Brent

[Kalamata Kid]

When I hear the term "lenses", I think of seeing the world through different lenses. Not of magnification. I have lenses in my glasses, but they don't magnify. They help me see the world differently. You can get different lenses on a camera that allow a wider field of view, or to add filters to the image, and yes, even magnification. But that is just a small portion of the use for lenses in the real world.

You can get 3-D lenses that filter in and out various colors to give a different effect. You can have UV-blocking lenses. You have lenses that can reduce glare. It's all about seeing the world more efficiently and differently based on the lense. So imagine you had a wall full of colors, but you wanted to see all the colors except purple. You would then put on glasses that filtered out the purple. Etc. etc.

So to me, the term "lenses" is just fine. It helps you see the program through different lenses. I think it makes perfect sense, honestly.

Brent

Ah, You are looking at the world thru rose colored lenses, I mean glasses.
Just a bit of humor.

[clintmartin]

I've been really impressed with all that Sonar has been doing the last few years. Easily my favorite daw.

[acYm]

Sonar was my first daw, and the only one I used for almost 10 years, because back then, imo it was the best all-rounder. Its recording and editing left nothing to be desired compared to pro tools, it had a cool step sequencer integrated but without being a complete mess like FL, native clip looping and non-linear sequencing not too unlike Live, and at one point it did arguably have the best included bundle of instruments and effects.

Nowadays however Ableton is my main daw, but for very specific reasons: I got heavily into hardware control and obviously Live is the king at that (and everything else without exception sucks), and also while CW used to give us electronic music makers the occasional little attentions in Sonar's development, that's long over and the program is now strictly centered towards traditionals.

There is undeniably this feeling of half-baked, unfinished programming that permeates many layers of Sonar as well. I found that Platinum did little to shake that off...

[Kalamata Kid]

On my list of possible "my one and only DAW" candidates
Sonar Platinum is the only one that has all my feature requirements.
I am not totally happy on the workflow.
If they add a "multi-Instruments" as in Studio One that will then convince me to choose Sonar Platinum.

Gotta say they are on a roll and like the monthly additions.
Also like that they communicate their plans.