Roland Cloud

[JJ_Jettflow]

Guess you should have bought a Roland then eh? They still support their old gear.

Yes that's right.

V-Producer 3 Macintosh OS X (G4)
This is the latest version of the V-Producer Software for the VariOS. This version is for G4 Macintosh computers running OS X

V-Producer 3 Windows (ME, XP)
This is the latest version of the V-Producer Software for the VariOS. This version is for Windows computers running ME or XP.

I thought we were talking hardware?

Is this not hardware? Is that why people can't get screws for it for their 19in racks? https://www.roland.com/global/products/varios/features/

Maybe you can find one and use it on the same computer you run Alchemy on.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I understand the company no longer exists so you might have a problem getting CA's signature on that variation agreement!

And your point is...?

Funny, I was just to write and ask you the same thing.

[JJ_Jettflow]

I understand the company no longer exists so you might have a problem getting CA's signature on that variation agreement!

And your point is...?

My point is I find it odd that you are accusing Roland of possibly leaving everyone high and dry when the Roland Cloud most certainly will fail (according to your prediction) yet you defend a company that HAS left you high and dry

[Gamma-UT]

My point is I find it odd that you are accusing Roland of possibly leaving everyone high and dry when the Roland Cloud most certainly will fail (according to your prediction) yet you defend a company that HAS left you high and dry

I've made my points. It's clear you're incapable of understanding the issue when you basically make up things that never happened.

[JJ_Jettflow]

My point is I find it odd that you are accusing Roland of possibly leaving everyone high and dry when the Roland Cloud most certainly will fail (according to your prediction) yet you defend a company that HAS left you high and dry

I've made my points. It's clear you're incapable of understanding the issue when you basically make up things that never happened.

Then you didn't say this?

"I have looked at subscribing – I don't have some fundamental thing against using it. But, I'd be rendering and printing every stem made with it, partly because I don't want to keep paying on the off chance I might use the synths the next month and also because, unlike a perpetual licence, they reserve the right to change the terms as they please – which may include a total suspension of service."

or this

"Roland Cloud is not operated by Roland - it's some other company that has a licensing deal. At some point, Roland being Roland is going to decide to terminate that agreement. What do you think is going to happen then? I can tell one thing that's very likely: the software anyone has tied to Roland Cloud will stop working (though at least they won't have to keep paying)."

These statements make it sound like you are 100% certain this will fail and that is why you will not use it..ie. "at some point" yet you are more than happy to jump through hoops to use Alchemy even though the company totally blew you off with no chance of upgrading unless you buy Mac. How many expansion packs have they made for V1 owners since they sold you down the river? Did they promise to support V1 owners for a certain period of time for support and possible fixes for new OS versions following the sale of the company and killing off any chance for PC users ever to use it again?

[Gamma-UT]

Actually you do not get to use the license as long as you please; rather, as long as the owner of the software pleases with a recent case in point being Camel Audio's actions.

[JJ_Jettflow]

Actually you do not get to use the license as long as you please; rather, as long as the owner of the software pleases with a recent case in point being Camel Audio's actions.

You are absolutely right about me being absolutely right!

Sure, in reality, he didn't even have to give you a chance to get extra d/ls or to even sell it but seeing that it was PC users that made his company successful enough to be bought out by Apple, he could have done more..IMO

But I do not understand how a company like CA can hang its users out to dry and that is not a problem but Roland Cloud is in beta and people can do nothing but rag on it and doom it to failure before its off the ground.

[fmr]

Guess you should have bought a Roland then eh? They still support their old gear.

Oh yeah... Like for example updating the drivers for new OS releases Guess how long didn't they update the driver for Roland SonicCell

Roland has a consistent history of starting projects and then abandon them. It's nothing that you can hide, or turn around. We all saw that in the past, over and over.

You sound very much like a fanboy

[JJ_Jettflow]

Guess you should have bought a Roland then eh? They still support their old gear.

Oh yeah... Like for example updating the drivers for new OS releases Guess how long didn't they update the driver for Roland SonicCell

Roland has a consistent history of starting projects and then abandon them. It's nothing that you can hide, or turn around. We all saw that in the past, over and over.

You sound very much like a fanboy

No more of a fanboi than you sound like when you are talking about u-he. The cry of the desperate when they don't have an argument. .....fanboi fanboi fanboi

[fmr]

Guess you should have bought a Roland then eh? They still support their old gear.

Oh yeah... Like for example updating the drivers for new OS releases Guess how long didn't they update the driver for Roland SonicCell

Roland has a consistent history of starting projects and then abandon them. It's nothing that you can hide, or turn around. We all saw that in the past, over and over.

You sound very much like a fanboy

No more of a fanboi than you sound like when you are talking about u-he. The cry of the desperate when they don't have an argument. .....fanboi fanboi fanboi

Me, talking about U-He?

Now, it's you that sound desperate. Quote me on a sentence where I sounded like a fanboy about U-He. Sure, I'm a friend of Urs, I know him since when he started, but I am not near a fanboy regarding U-He. I even criticized him every now and then.

[JJ_Jettflow]

Guess you should have bought a Roland then eh? They still support their old gear.

Oh yeah... Like for example updating the drivers for new OS releases Guess how long didn't they update the driver for Roland SonicCell

Roland has a consistent history of starting projects and then abandon them. It's nothing that you can hide, or turn around. We all saw that in the past, over and over.

You sound very much like a fanboy

No more of a fanboi than you sound like when you are talking about u-he. The cry of the desperate when they don't have an argument. .....fanboi fanboi fanboi

Me, talking about U-He?

Now, it's you that sound desperate. Quote me on a sentence where I sounded like a fanboy about U-He. Sure, I'm a friend of Urs, I know him since when he started, but I am not near a fanboy regarding U-He. I even criticized him every now and then.

Maybe Roland hater would be a better description of you then?

Sorry, I have tried to read your previous posts in the past when we have gotten into it but I find it impossible because you come across as such a negative person I just give up.

[fmr]

Now, it's you that sound desperate. Quote me on a sentence where I sounded like a fanboy about U-He. Sure, I'm a friend of Urs, I know him since when he started, but I am not near a fanboy regarding U-He. I even criticized him every now and then.

Maybe Roland hater would be a better description of you then?

Sorry, I have tried to read your previous posts in the past when we have gotten into it but I find it impossible because you come across as such a negative person I just give up.

Hmm... Negative? Maybe, but that's because there are lots of negative things in the market. I can't help it. I am positive when there are things to be positive about. Unfortunately, those are becoming less and less common.

About being a Roland hater... Considering I have several Roland modules here (like seven, all hardware), that's also something to be argued about. I am even considering subscribing to the cloud thing... But if I will, I will not do it convinced that it is a good thing...

[rod_zero]

Just one observation:

Most of the time EULAs contain terms that are ilegal in many countries, specially those that violate consumer rights. Lawyers doing this shit know that their EULA's won't hold out in a court but they do it anyway to keep consumers from complaining or dismiss their complains.

You can't renounce your consumer rights (or any kind of rights) through a contract, it is simply impossible.

[fmr]

Just one observation:

Most of the time EULAs contain terms that are ilegal in many countries, specially those that violate consumer rights. Lawyers doing this shit know that their EULA's won't hold out in a court but they do it anyway to keep consumers from complaining or dismiss their complains.

You can't renounce your consumer rights (or any kind of rights) through a contract, it is simply impossible.

Yes, I came across something like that with an american not long ago (basically, I was robbed). Problem is not if they are legal, is where would you go to defend your case. In this case, you would probably have to to go to an american court (with all the costs implied)...

[zerocrossing]

To make music with it. Like I did when I bought hardware. .like I have for over 35 years.
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Big difference between Roland, a musical instrument company that has innovative products that are still be used today and the average fly by night software developer.

I've got two Ensoniq synths that still run (well the ZR76 has always been a bit flakey, but that's Ensoniq for you). It was a company that was never destined to last. Yet, under supposedly stable Emu and then Creative Labs, the operation simply disappeared. You can just about get spares for some of the bigger sellers like the VFX and the ASR, but not a lot. Good old hardware.

And yet keeping a soft synth in a runnable state is an issue?

Just go on GearSlutz and read all the tales of woe from people having trouble with their classic synths. Some, like the not so vintage Andromeda, have fatal chip failures that render them unusable and unrepairable. That's a worst case scenario, but there are also lots of mentions about getting old synths serviced, etc. This idea of buying hardware and then using it forever is the same kind of myth as paying for a software license that becomes invalid a year after you bought it. Do both of those things happen? Yeah, but neither is common.

This is all irrelevant anyway. I've been paying for Roland Cloud, but just because I was curious as to what they were going to release and I wanted more time to mess with what was released, but I'm going to pull the plug soon. Probably when RePro-5 gets released. The truth is, I don't use plugins like SH-2 because I hate a synth that's limited to low note priority and since Roland can't be bothered to add high and last to that one, it's great sound doesn't make it into my music. I haven't even bothered downloading it. I already own System 100. I think enough people will be like me, or have avoided Roland Cloud altogether, that they'll scramble to find another revenue outlet and start selling basic licenses.

So that's that. I'll have RePro-5 as my "vintage poly" emulation (as well as others). I'll miss Juno 106 a bit. I don't think there's anything on the market that's as good, but whatever. I don't have to have everything. (plus, I have a Deepmind 12 for Junoish sounds anyway) If Roland wants my money in the future, they'll have to do what most every other developer is doing, and sell me a perpetual license for the specific plugins I want. Also, they'll have to fix the problems with their current plugins, like the fact that they always demand CPU even when not in use, and those UIs are deplorable.