When can we stop making 32-bit plugins?

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Is it okay if developers stop making 32-bit plugins?

No I still work in 32-bit mostly
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I only use a 32-bit host some of the time, so having both is better
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Yes, I've completely moved on to 64-bit
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No I still need them, but in 2-3 years I'll have moved on
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No I still need them and I won't move on for many years
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layzer wrote:this is true. and both have clairity over 8bit audio.
but there virtually no difference in clairity between 64 and 32 bit however,
Wait, is that what you think this is about? Bit depth? It has absolutely nothing to do with bit depth. Your attitude kind of makes sense if you think it's about 32-bit float vs 64-bit float audio, but it just isn't, most 32-bit plugins were already using 64-bit audio a long time ago (helps with recursive algorithms apparently).

It has nothing to do with audio at all, 32-bit plugins are compiled for 32-bit architectures with 32-bit addressing, so the only way they can work on a 64-bit platform is through some compatibility layer, and the problem with plugins is since they're run by an executable (the host) and not on their own they have to be the same thing as the host, either native 64-bit or in 32-bit compatibility mode. That's why we're moving on to 64-bit, our machines are 64-bit, our OSes are 64-bit, so why on Earth would we keep making 32-bit programs that aren't made for our machines? How shortsighted do you have to be to not see the imperative of moving on, no one is gonna be stuck with mid 2000s technology 20 years from now, so 20 years from now you can either transition like everybody did or be stuck with a Windows XP machine swearing that you wouldn't be caught dead using a piece of software compiled after the year 2015. What is it gonna be?

The key word here is shortsightedness, you're gonna have to transition whether you do it today or in 50 years, and the more you wait the harder you'll make it on yourself by depriving yourself of everything that isn't catering to your luddism (yes, running Windows XP in 2017 is luddism, I don't even bother to make sure what I make might work on Windows XP because it's dead).

Ironically of anyone in this thread you're the one making the best case for dumping 32-bit builds right now.
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A_SN wrote:I don't even bother to make sure what I make might work on Windows XP because it's dead).
its not dead. its the best windows to date. but thats a whole other argument.
and things don't stop working because they are not supported anymore
people can go on being slaves to upgrades or whatever but i've found
what works for me for a verrrrrrrrrrrrry long time.....ie; WinXP x32 + EnergyXT2 + 32bit plugins :idea:
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A_SN wrote:
layzer wrote:this is true. and both have clairity over 8bit audio.
but there virtually no difference in clairity between 64 and 32 bit however,
Wait, is that what you think this is about? Bit depth? It has absolutely nothing to do with bit depth. Your attitude kind of makes sense if you think it's about 32-bit float vs 64-bit float audio, but it just isn't, most 32-bit plugins were already using 64-bit audio a long time ago (helps with recursive algorithms apparently).

It has nothing to do with audio at all, 32-bit plugins are compiled for 32-bit architectures with 32-bit addressing, so the only way they can work on a 64-bit platform is through some compatibility layer, and the problem with plugins is since they're run by an executable (the host) and not on their own they have to be the same thing as the host, either native 64-bit or in 32-bit compatibility mode. That's why we're moving on to 64-bit, our machines are 64-bit, our OSes are 64-bit, so why on Earth would we keep making 32-bit programs that aren't made for our machines? How shortsighted do you have to be to not see the imperative of moving on, no one is gonna be stuck with mid 2000s technology 20 years from now, so 20 years from now you can either transition like everybody did or be stuck with a Windows XP machine swearing that you wouldn't be caught dead using a piece of software compiled after the year 2015. What is it gonna be?

The key word here is shortsightedness, you're gonna have to transition whether you do it today or in 50 years, and the more you wait the harder you'll make it on yourself by depriving yourself of everything that isn't catering to your luddism (yes, running Windows XP in 2017 is luddism, I don't even bother to make sure what I make might work on Windows XP because it's dead).

Ironically of anyone in this thread you're the one making the best case for dumping 32-bit builds right now.
None of this matters because I can make music on an amiga tracker better than you with plugins. For all I know, plugins are "bloatware'.

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now you're getting it. :hug:

except 8bit audio is like painting lacking detail, but even that is what some painters shoot for.
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raintalk wrote:Install writers:
Please stop automatically installing 32-bit versions of plugins
And quit trying to install so some default "Steinberg\vstplugins" directory
Yes, please.
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Is it me or does it seem the users who are most concerned with killing off 32 bit are the early adapters who need to justify their purchases. Reminds me of the switch to CD's....and now there is a resurgence of vinyl not to mention the hardware vs. software debate. Way I see it use whatever floats your boat.

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Karma_tba wrote:Is it me or does it seem the users who are most concerned with killing off 32 bit are the early adapters who need to justify their purchases. Reminds me of the switch to CD's....and now there is a resurgence of vinyl not to mention the hardware vs. software debate. Way I see it use whatever floats your boat.
Well you're gonna have to stretch your definition of early. Funny how in about 15-20 years we went from the "computers evolve so fast that six months is like ten years" meme, and now, how long have we had 64-bit plugins again? A decade? More? Nothing early about it, we want to kill it off because it should have died a long time ago. In fact we should have never waited this long to move on given that we very much hit the RAM limit of 32-bit architecture in a real way.

And there's absolutely nothing to do with "justifying their purchases" here given that no one ever sold 32-bit and 64-bit builds separately, transitioning costs you literally nothing unless you have a 15 year old machine.
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There are various new plugins that do stuff I could not do with older plugins. So I need a relatively new computer to use them... which I needed anyway for doing video which is resource intensive.

I see no reason for developers to keep making 32 bit plugins. Sure, keep the existing legacy ones available for people who use older systems, but otherwise, move on.

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A_SN wrote: no one is gonna be stuck with mid 2000s technology 20 years from now
In a world where people still seek out old akai hardware and people who were born a decade after the advent of CD's somehow wax nostalgic about vinyl records
I'm not sure how true that is
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I laughed...until I thought about how much that would be worth if it was restored
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Supporting 32bit for ancient OS's just drains valuable dev time.

Sure, let the SE/SM crowd keep doing their thing, its fun and free (usually) but you wont see any serious users crying when 32bit gets dropped very soon by commercial devs.

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melomood wrote:
A_SN wrote: no one is gonna be stuck with mid 2000s technology 20 years from now
In a world where people still seek out old akai hardware and people who were born a decade after the advent of CD's somehow wax nostalgic about vinyl records
I'm not sure how true that is
In terms of the 32/64 bit argument, I don't think people will feel nostalgic about the "32-bit sound" because there isn't such thing really. Old samplers and vinyl have a personality that people can actually hear and feel nostalgic about.

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SeeingInMidi wrote:
melomood wrote:
A_SN wrote: no one is gonna be stuck with mid 2000s technology 20 years from now
In a world where people still seek out old akai hardware and people who were born a decade after the advent of CD's somehow wax nostalgic about vinyl records
I'm not sure how true that is
In terms of the 32/64 bit argument, I don't think people will feel nostalgic about the "32-bit sound" because there isn't such thing really. Old samplers and vinyl have a personality that people can actually hear and feel nostalgic about.
Oh boy, I sure am missing my old Akai S612 and those mini disks. It sounded so good, lol. You know, the older the better, right?
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