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Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:23 pm

I more and more like the results you could get in the JV-1080 plugin when using the "analog feel" parameter in the common settings. Like with analog polysynths this adds some random detune to the voices so it is most obvious when playing poyphonic sounds.
Additionally you could aolso use teh "random pitch" parameetr in the oscillators.

In combination with using multiple detuned layers i could get really nice and "big" sounding synths strings sounds without actually adding a Chorus effect.
Additionally you could use some of the PCM waveforms that are based on actual analog synths like e.g. Jupiter 8.

Using detuned tones/layers is very simple if you use the copy/paste features in the UTILITY menu of the plugin.

Once you got nice more "familiar" and/or analog style soundning patch you could try replacing the PCM waveforms in the layers step by step with more "exotic" and/or typical digital ones.

Using other filter modes besides the usual LPF mode (e.g. a BPF) could be really interesting too.
The FX section includes some quite differnt and/or interesting filters too inclduing "spectrum" which works like a filter bank.
With most of the "structures" (except the first one) you could also combine the filters of two tones/layers to have two filters in series (also to create a LPF with a steeper slope).

Once you get familiar with the synth engoine of teh JV-1080 plugin (and comparable synths) you coudl do a lot of stuff that is not possible with most analog emulations even if you use analog style samples (with the typical digital samples the difference is quite obvious).

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:31 pm

braj wrote:Do have anything to prove that? It kind of verges on slander. He loves synths, and loves talking about them, and has favorite brands, like everyone.

Of course I don't have any court-grade evidence I'm not following every Ingo's post. But I've noticed distinctive pattern on U-he forum first and then in this forum as well - in every even irrelevant topic Ingo is mentioning certain brands and falsefully comparing them with competitors or counterparts. Even if they are not even close to subject, like in this topic.

Comparing original Prophet 5 with JV 1080 is like comparing clarinet and saxophone. One might say they both subtractive synths, well clarinet and saxophone are woodwinds.There are zillions of software synths that would fit JV 1080 plugin comparison even some in U-he range (e.g. Zebra2) but not Repro 5. Why Repro? Why mention certain company in every second post on RP relatend topice on U-he forum? etc

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:36 pm

Ingonator wrote: Totally stupid comment. I am a normal customer of both Roland Cloud and Repro-5 (+ Repro-1) and paid the usual prices for the products (while i bought Repro-1 with the introduction price and got Repro-5 as a free update). So where exactly is your point here?

How come you haven't mentioned any Arturia plugin in this reply? That's so strange.

It should be something like:

Totally stupid comment. I am a normal customer of both Roland Cloud and Repro-5 (+ Repro-1) and paid the usual prices for the products (while i bought Repro-1 with the introduction price and got Repro-5 as a free update). So where exactly is your point here?
I'm also making sounds with Arthuria V collection that sounds almost like real. Say I was doing sweeps with Prophet V yesterday and that was almost as good as JV 1040 and way better than Repro-5. And I also got some kind of upgrade of Arturia V last evening and it's totally awesome only for $XX.

That would be regular Ingo.

Aliens · Post by **Aliens** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:40 pm

Add Tone 2 and Waldorf to your list.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:11 pm

I find these "ad hominem" attacks really annoying.

So you don't like Ingo? It's OK, you don't have to. But CAN WE STICK TO THE SUBJECT please?

If you don't like him, add him to the ignore list. Is it so difficult? And if you have nothing to add to the subject, then don't post.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:47 am

I posted a longer reply here but just deleted it and added the KVR members david.beholder and Aliens to my ignore list. Trying to discuss with both is no fun at all for me and overall just waste of time.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:12 am

Audio demo comparisons sooner or later seem to lead to trouble here at KVR, no matter what the intention was.
If i post audio demos of the JV-1080 plugin in the future i will post them "as is" without direct comparisons to other synths.

FWIW while i had owned some of the Roland ROMplers long ago the only hardware synth i currently own that remotely has a comparable synth engine as the JV-1080 plugin is my Yamaha Motif ES7. Like the JV-1080 plugin the Motif has 4 parts, a multimode filter and 3 more or less complex envelopes per part (filter, amp and pitch envelopes). Besides that sound and feature wise the Motif and the JV-1080 plugin are not directly comparable.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:53 am

These Roland synths are interesting to me, but being that I've owned some of this exact gear in the past my biggest question is do they sound like the hardware?

The dacs in these units gave them their own character and overall sound quality. Is this lost on the vsts? Pardon me I'm away from any sort of cpu to demo myself, but would love to hear from users of both the hardware and plugins.

Thanks

rasscass · Post by **rasscass** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:10 pm

Ingonator wrote:Audio demo comparisons sooner or later seem to lead to trouble here at KVR, no matter what the intention was.
If i post audio demos of the JV-1080 plugin in the future i will post them "as is" without direct comparisons to other synths.

I for one enjoy & appreciate your audio demo comparisons Ingo. Please continue posting with direct comparisons.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:13 pm

Someone need to post an audio demo of the hardware jv 1080 .
So far we had the integra pcm , the jv 1080 vst and the jv 2080 hardware .
settings

osc jp8 saw ( or any other pure saw )
filter type lpf
cutof 20
Reso 120
filter envelope
envelope depth +40
key follow off
time 1 : 0
time 2 :92
time 3 : 10
time 4 : 64
envelope level 1 : 127
envelope level 2 : 0
envelope lvel 3 : 0
envelope level 4 : 0

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:32 pm

trusampler wrote:The dacs in these units gave them their own character and overall sound quality. Is this lost on the vsts? Pardon me I'm away from any sort of cpu to demo myself, but would love to hear from users of both the hardware and plugins.

I'm having a look at this now. The first four banks in the plugin are the same as the first four preset banks in the XV-5080, which is what I'm looking at.

I'm going to do some comparisons of the same presets recorded from the plugin, from the XV-5080 digitally (bypassing the convertors), and from the XV-5080 via it's own convertors (which are pretty nice).

I'm sure others will do some comparisons to the 1080 and other JV modules, and maybe even the Fantom/Integra stuff.

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:37 pm

trusampler wrote:These Roland synths are interesting to me, but being that I've owned some of this exact gear in the past my biggest question is do they sound like the hardware?

The dacs in these units gave them their own character and overall sound quality. Is this lost on the vsts? Pardon me I'm away from any sort of cpu to demo myself, but would love to hear from users of both the hardware and plugins.

Thanks

This is actually an emulation of the Fantom X with the patches and samples replaced with ones from older synths.

Absolutely no attempt was made to emulate the sound of the JV-1080 DAC and output. It will sound the same as if you used the digital outputs of the XV-5080 or later.

The XV-5080 doesn't sound like the JV-1080 even if you use the analog outputs.

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:54 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:Absolutely no attempt was made to emulate the sound of the JV-1080 DAC and output. It will sound the same as if you used the digital outputs of the XV-5080 or later.

We'll see!

Romantique Tp wrote:The XV-5080 doesn't sound like the JV-1080 even if you use the analog outputs.

Indeed, the 5080 has a better engine, higher quality wave samples, and higher quality DACs...

Spirit2017 · Post by **Spirit2017** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Sysex to bin converter ?
Is it possible?

beely · Post by **beely** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Spirit2017 wrote:Sysex to bin converter ?
Is it possible?

See my previous comments on this early in this (and the other) thread.

Short answer: I'm looking into it.

Edit: I've sorted out the format of the JV-1080 sysex, and I'm currently reversing the plugin's BIN format - if it's anything like the D50, the internal layout of the plugin should correspond fairly close to the sysex spec of the 1080 and/or 5080 - it's just there are rather more parameters to handle/check, and also a bit more work to sort out whatever translations are necessary from/to other formats.

Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!