f. 'em - a new FM synth from Tracktion
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from Seattle
I agree, the CPU usage is incredibly high. What CPU was this plugin actually designed for? Tracktion must have machines that will run it smoothly...?
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- KVRAF
- 5271 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
So now that this thing has been released, I am curious if it actually covers "FM" in all it's forms or if it is just another PM synth with a shiny new interface. I'd love to see something that can run at high oversampling rates while using live inputs, feedback and samples/wavetables in a full matrix that allows even the outputs of FX and filters to be routed freely as part of the modulation structure. I'd also love to see each modulation "output" switchable between PM linear FM and pitch modulation so that Op 3 could be phase modulated by op1 and could be linear Frequency modulated by
op2 and then the output of op 4 could modulate a sample of a toy piano with pitch scaled fm. Then this could all be fed into a audio rate modulated filter with a sample amount of feedback to Op 1. All of this is possible in many modular environments with great fidelity. For less adventurous sound fiddling FM8 or a stack of other plugins can do the job. From reading the post release info here on KVR it seems like a nice flexible FM synth that doesn't do "too much" more than what came before but at a rather large CPU hit. I would love to see something that can do any kind of FM from any kind of source with a high level of fidelity. So far it doesn't sound that way. I guess I'll have to give it a demo to find out.
op2 and then the output of op 4 could modulate a sample of a toy piano with pitch scaled fm. Then this could all be fed into a audio rate modulated filter with a sample amount of feedback to Op 1. All of this is possible in many modular environments with great fidelity. For less adventurous sound fiddling FM8 or a stack of other plugins can do the job. From reading the post release info here on KVR it seems like a nice flexible FM synth that doesn't do "too much" more than what came before but at a rather large CPU hit. I would love to see something that can do any kind of FM from any kind of source with a high level of fidelity. So far it doesn't sound that way. I guess I'll have to give it a demo to find out.
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- KVRAF
- 9543 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
You describe a modular synth. In modulars you have the problem that feedback introduces a block of delay. If you turn that down to 1 sample it will eat your CPU. Choose your tool accordingly. F’em is just a streamlined approach to FM and the one with the most operators, its what FM9 wanted to be…
- KVRAF
- 24403 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Actually most digital modular systems that I know of introduce a single sample of delay, not a whole block... Reaktor, VCV, even ye olde VAZ Modular - all single sample delay.
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- KVRAF
- 1715 posts since 27 Apr, 2012
It's supposed to be sort of a supercharged DX7. So, PM only. As far as something that supports all those different types of crossmod simultaneously, have you tried Phaseplant? The UI is not quite as quick to rig up complex algos as a grid-based synth like F'em, but it does almost everything you're describing and more. I like it a lot.Ah_Dziz wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:59 am So now that this thing has been released, I am curious if it actually covers "FM" in all it's forms or if it is just another PM synth with a shiny new interface. I'd love to see something that can run at high oversampling rates while using live inputs, feedback and samples/wavetables in a full matrix that allows even the outputs of FX and filters to be routed freely as part of the modulation structure. I'd also love to see each modulation "output" switchable between PM linear FM and pitch modulation so that Op 3 could be phase modulated by op1 and could be linear Frequency modulated by
op2 and then the output of op 4 could modulate a sample of a toy piano with pitch scaled fm. Then this could all be fed into a audio rate modulated filter with a sample amount of feedback to Op 1. All of this is possible in many modular environments with great fidelity. For less adventurous sound fiddling FM8 or a stack of other plugins can do the job. From reading the post release info here on KVR it seems like a nice flexible FM synth that doesn't do "too much" more than what came before but at a rather large CPU hit. I would love to see something that can do any kind of FM from any kind of source with a high level of fidelity. So far it doesn't sound that way. I guess I'll have to give it a demo to find out.
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- 6787 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
You keep repeating this over and over again as a mantra and some excuse why Bitwig doesn't have it i their modular grid .Tj Shredder wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:37 am You describe a modular synth. In modulars you have the problem that feedback introduces a block of delay. If you turn that down to 1 sample it will eat your CPU. Choose your tool accordingly. F’em is just a streamlined approach to FM and the one with the most operators, its what FM9 wanted to be…
No , single sample feedback will NOT eat your cpu , as evildragon pointed out there are many programs that have it
Reaktor has it since 2001
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- KVRAF
- 9543 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Do they separate the feedback loop with a block size of one sample? Or how do they achieve it? Just wondering…EvilDragon wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:41 pm Actually most digital modular systems that I know of introduce a single sample of delay, not a whole block... Reaktor, VCV, even ye olde VAZ Modular - all single sample delay.
- KVRAF
- 3017 posts since 8 Jun, 2018
you have VM, that is also quite capable for FM, the zeroscillator, or the 2VCO for example, the last one takes also audio rate PM an AM next to lineair? FM, and also expo.Tj Shredder wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:50 amDo they separate the feedback loop with a block size of one sample? Or how do they achieve it? Just wondering…EvilDragon wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:41 pm Actually most digital modular systems that I know of introduce a single sample of delay, not a whole block... Reaktor, VCV, even ye olde VAZ Modular - all single sample delay.
i do use a lot of PM or FM, also the TAO is great for it.
every module is called 48000 times per second. processSample(). of course a module can 'decide' to use lower values of update. but most of them seem not really limited..
no strain on the cpu... and of course Reaktor or VCV.
EDIIT and the polygrid takes PM and FM (expo), don't know the update rate, but it seems quite enough..
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- KVRAF
- 7872 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
I just downloaded and starting going through the presets. Some almost sound like they turned on a random button and some noise came out.OrionAlpha101 wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:48 pm I need to say very bad bad sound design on this synth ,what's wrong with you Wolfram?
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- KVRAF
- 24403 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Feedback is just storing the previous value at whatever point to some variable, then acting upon it... No need to have a "block"...Tj Shredder wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:50 amDo they separate the feedback loop with a block size of one sample? Or how do they achieve it? Just wondering…EvilDragon wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:41 pm Actually most digital modular systems that I know of introduce a single sample of delay, not a whole block... Reaktor, VCV, even ye olde VAZ Modular - all single sample delay.
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 7 Dec, 2016
f.!em is on sale at only 29 dollars at Audiodeluxe. I am a sucker for FM sounds, is it worth it if I already own Opsix (FM perfection, imo) and Plogue OPS7?
I can run Opsix just fine with a 2012 i7 MacBook Pro. Would it struggle with f.'em? I've read it eats CPUs for breakfast
I can run Opsix just fine with a 2012 i7 MacBook Pro. Would it struggle with f.'em? I've read it eats CPUs for breakfast
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/vi ... cktion-femparnarules wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:21 pm f.!em is on sale at only 29 dollars at Audiodeluxe. I am a sucker for FM sounds, is it worth it if I already own Opsix (FM perfection, imo) and Plogue OPS7?
I can run Opsix just fine with a 2012 i7 MacBook Pro. Would it struggle with f.'em? I've read it eats CPUs for breakfast![]()
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- KVRAF
- 12082 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I didn't need another FM synths, but at the price I now own one.
I have a fast PC (i9) and it doesn't move the needle for CPU use...
I have a fast PC (i9) and it doesn't move the needle for CPU use...
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- KVRAF
- 2740 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
I almost bought it again, it's a great dealSLiC wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:57 pm I didn't need another FM synths, but at the price I now own one.
I have a fast PC (i9) and it doesn't move the needle for CPU use...
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- KVRAF
- 9100 posts since 28 Apr, 2013
Me too. Although I have to admit I really don't even open it much.starflakeprj wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:44 pmI almost bought it again, it's a great dealSLiC wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:57 pm I didn't need another FM synths, but at the price I now own one.
I have a fast PC (i9) and it doesn't move the needle for CPU use...![]()
With this price and the current sale on FM8 for $10. I wonder if these types of FM centric synths are nearing an EOD (or more hopefully to their next evolution.)
