Why you left REAPER?

[Trancit]

...compare the performance of those against Reaper and they’ll fail miserably, fact!

Please stop it...
What you try to sell here as would Reaper double the CPU of your machine is in reality to be able to not only use 100 instances of a plugin but 101... as if this would make any difference...

All Daws nowadays perform so well that we are talking about differences of perhaps 5%... so does this matter???

[simmo75]

...compare the performance of those against Reaper and they’ll fail miserably, fact!

Please stop it...
What you try to sell here as would Reaper double the CPU of your machine is in reality to be able to not only use 100 instances of a plugin but 101... as if this would make any difference...

All Daws nowadays perform so well that we are talking about differences of perhaps 5%... so does this matter???

You please stop it... I never mentioned double the CPU, you're trippin bruv!
I think you're slightly delusional

[spigmu]

Not true.

Yes it is.

Nope. You can't. You can re-theme it based on your graphic coding skill, not based on what your heart desires. Themes are not unlimited in potential and the Theme Tweaker is helpful to the end user but very basic, not chameleonic. Skinning and recoloring are skinning and recoloring, changing the jacket and making it another color. Very nice but hardly "what ever you want". Are you fluent in theme coding? Can you do Walter? Know what Walter is?

If you say, Yes it is to this I'll know you haven't created any themes in the Stash and just use something available.

And I'm a fan of Reaper and daily user, registered for 10 years. It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't.

You know you can use image files, right?

Of course. That doesn't change anything of what I said. I don't know why anyone would think it does. Having an image of what? A button? A fader? Exactly how does that get anyone except 40% of reaper users and 5% of DAW users a new experience without coding? Swapping buttons images and positions and reshaping the console, putting things in other places, is not exactly doing "what ever you want". It's advanced skinning.

Why are you going on about who can code? That wasn't the question.

It certainly was the question. Because you said you can make the interface look like "what ever you want". But without theme coding you can only make cursory changes in the Tweaker. No one who made any kind of decent theme that was more than a tweak of the default did it without theme coding. Which is beyond the ken of most DAW users. People who can actually create a good theme to suit "what ever they want" are a small section of even Reaper enthusiasts. Among the general DAW users it's much tinier.

Much of the customizability of Reaper throughout is thanks to scripts and JSFX created by users. That's coding. Beyond the simple stuff like Actions and assigning keystrokes and changing colors (which anyone can do) it's a good amount of scripting that makes it "customizable". Without them, it's not. In fact, it relies on them, as so much of what we take for granted in a DAW is not natively in Reaper but is possible by its open architecture. Fortunately, the users who can do that sort of thing are extremely generous with their work.

Let's be frank. Reaper's low price is a huge selling point for such a great DAW. If Cockos for some reason decided to price it equal to other DAWs, say Logic's $200, there would be no big Reaper fanbase. I'm glad there is and glad it's available for $60, but that's how people are. It's their lack of desire to take on the bigger business business model and supply chains that has made it a success and proven that they know what they're doing for their own game plan. But it always being $60 and not $200 has been a major (smart) factor.

[Trancit]

You please stop it... I never mentioned double the CPU, you're trippin bruv!
I think you're slightly delusional

I didn´t say you mentioned it but you´re acting like this...
A difference in performance of perhaps 5% can hardly be named as "fail miserably"!!!

Reaper has lost it´s biggest advantage of a better performance already years ago as other developers don´t sleep on trees either ...
...but on the contrary in many situations the dynamic idling of plugins if there is silence, like IL´s smart disable or how it is implemented in Bitwig and Ableton, can boost the performance lightyears ahead over Reaper, which doesn´t got a working feature like this at all...

[Trancit]

...
Let's be frank. Reaper's low price is a huge selling point for such a great DAW. If Cockos for some reason decided to price it equal to other DAWs, say Logic's $200, there would be no big Reaper fanbase. I'm glad there is and glad it's available for $60, but that's how people are. It's their lack of desire to take on the bigger business business model and supply chains that has made it a success and proven that they know what they're doing for their own game plan. But it always being $60 and not $200 has been a major (smart) factor.

You love to mention only the half of the truth, don´t you...??

You compare a restricted version of Reaper vs. full versions of other DAWs...
It´s not restricted in features but in terms of how you are allowed to use it...

Reaper costs $225,- vs. the price of other DAWs...i.e. Logic is a steal against Reaper, which comes completely naked compared to the huge amount of excellent plugins Logic (or others) ships with...
and if your argument should be that the vast majority of Reaper users only paid for the restricted $60,- version... then everybody can imagine what kind of "fanbase" Reaper got...

If you buy all plugins seperate others ship for free in their DAW for use in Reaper and compare the prices, I think Reaper is the most expensive DAW in existence...
Some who are already done with plugins consider this as an advantage but that´s not true for everybody...
Some consider this as an advantage to have only available the plugins they like to use and they´ve bought already but they lack the advanced integration many DAW companies provide for their native plugins which is a selling point for many out there thinking a little bit further respectively having use for that...

[dupont]

Let's be frank. Reaper's low price is a huge selling point for such a great DAW. If Cockos for some reason decided to price it equal to other DAWs, say Logic's $200, there would be no big Reaper fanbase. I'm glad there is and glad it's available for $60, but that's how people are. It's their lack of desire to take on the bigger business business model and supply chains that has made it a success and proven that they know what they're doing for their own game plan. But it always being $60 and not $200 has been a major (smart) factor.

I disagree with the price argument.
I have studio one, live and logic pro but I don't care about the price, I use mainly Reaper because in my opinion it is the best. Of course it is not perfect but nothing is !

[TheMaestro]

Yes it is.

Nope. You can't. You can re-theme it based on your graphic coding skill, not based on what your heart desires. Themes are not unlimited in potential and the Theme Tweaker is helpful to the end user but very basic, not chameleonic. Skinning and recoloring are skinning and recoloring, changing the jacket and making it another color. Very nice but hardly "what ever you want". Are you fluent in theme coding? Can you do Walter? Know what Walter is?

If you say, Yes it is to this I'll know you haven't created any themes in the Stash and just use something available.

And I'm a fan of Reaper and daily user, registered for 10 years. It is what it is and it ain't what it ain't.

You know you can use image files, right?

Of course. That doesn't change anything of what I said. I don't know why anyone would think it does. Having an image of what? A button? A fader? Exactly how does that get anyone except 40% of reaper users and 5% of DAW users a new experience without coding? Swapping buttons images and positions and reshaping the console, putting things in other places, is not exactly doing "what ever you want". It's advanced skinning.

Why are you going on about who can code? That wasn't the question.

It certainly was the question. Because you said you can make the interface look like "what ever you want". But without theme coding you can only make cursory changes in the Tweaker. No one who made any kind of decent theme that was more than a tweak of the default did it without theme coding. Which is beyond the ken of most DAW users. People who can actually create a good theme to suit "what ever they want" are a small section of even Reaper enthusiasts. Among the general DAW users it's much tinier.

Much of the customizability of Reaper throughout is thanks to scripts and JSFX created by users. That's coding. Beyond the simple stuff like Actions and assigning keystrokes and changing colors (which anyone can do) it's a good amount of scripting that makes it "customizable". Without them, it's not. In fact, it relies on them, as so much of what we take for granted in a DAW is not natively in Reaper but is possible by its open architecture. Fortunately, the users who can do that sort of thing are extremely generous with their work.

Let's be frank. Reaper's low price is a huge selling point for such a great DAW. If Cockos for some reason decided to price it equal to other DAWs, say Logic's $200, there would be no big Reaper fanbase. I'm glad there is and glad it's available for $60, but that's how people are. It's their lack of desire to take on the bigger business business model and supply chains that has made it a success and proven that they know what they're doing for their own game plan. But it always being $60 and not $200 has been a major (smart) factor.

You’re tedious AND ignorant. Good job.

[Stormin Norman]

[spigmu]

You’re tedious AND ignorant. Good job.

You know zilch about Reaper, theming especially you are clueless about, yet you post your zilch trolling and can't understand a paragraph explaining what you don't know. Usually Reaper enthusiasts are not so dense.

[spigmu]

I disagree with the price argument.
I have studio one, live and logic pro but I don't care about the price, I use mainly Reaper because in my opinion it is the best. Of course it is not perfect but nothing is !

Hi, dupont. I'm not saying at all that it can't be the best for someone even though it's by far the least expensive full featured DAW out there. More that if Cockos had not smartly picked it so low (which they could afford to do for various reasons) it would not enjoy the success it has. Really smart game plan to build their base. Because at $60 not only is it an incredible deal but it's a no brainer for a user of any other DAW to own a Reaper license. What do they have to lose? That's what got me in almost a decade ago for sure, and it's been 75% my main audio DAW. If it had been $200 I would not have bit.

[TheMaestro]

You’re tedious AND ignorant. Good job.

You know zilch about Reaper, theming especially you are clueless about, yet you post your zilch trolling and can't understand a paragraph explaining what you don't know. Usually Reaper enthusiasts are not so dense.

I’ve made and customized my own Reaper theme. Have you? No? Then sit down.

The original point was that you can skin and customize Reaper to your own taste and workflow. Nothing you have said so far has contradicted that. Talk about dense.

[TheMaestro]

I disagree with the price argument.
I have studio one, live and logic pro but I don't care about the price, I use mainly Reaper because in my opinion it is the best. Of course it is not perfect but nothing is !

Hi, dupont. I'm not saying at all that it can't be the best for someone even though it's by far the least expensive full featured DAW out there. More that if Cockos had not smartly picked it so low (which they could afford to do for various reasons) it would not enjoy the success it has. Really smart game plan to build their base. Because at $60 not only is it an incredible deal but it's a no brainer for a user of any other DAW to own a Reaper license. What do they have to lose? That's what got me in almost a decade ago for sure, and it's been 75% my main audio DAW. If it had been $200 I would not have bit.

It not even $60, if you want to exploit it. It’s free. Did your head just explode now?

[spigmu]

You’re tedious AND ignorant. Good job.

You know zilch about Reaper, theming especially you are clueless about, yet you post your zilch trolling and can't understand a paragraph explaining what you don't know. Usually Reaper enthusiasts are not so dense.

I’ve made and customized my own Reaper theme. Have you? No? Then sit down.

The original point was that you can skin and customize Reaper to your own taste and workflow. Nothing you have said so far has contradicted that. Talk about dense.

You're backtracking and changing what you said. If you went "coding?!!!!" then your themes are minor default tweaks, as I said while you were sleeping. I can give you a lesson in theme coding if you need.

[spigmu]

I disagree with the price argument.
I have studio one, live and logic pro but I don't care about the price, I use mainly Reaper because in my opinion it is the best. Of course it is not perfect but nothing is !

Hi, dupont. I'm not saying at all that it can't be the best for someone even though it's by far the least expensive full featured DAW out there. More that if Cockos had not smartly picked it so low (which they could afford to do for various reasons) it would not enjoy the success it has. Really smart game plan to build their base. Because at $60 not only is it an incredible deal but it's a no brainer for a user of any other DAW to own a Reaper license. What do they have to lose? That's what got me in almost a decade ago for sure, and it's been 75% my main audio DAW. If it had been $200 I would not have bit.

It not even $60, if you want to exploit it. It’s free. Did your head just explode now?

Nope. Even aside from the fact that that's meaningless to the conversation. Maybe take a remedial reading course and Intro to DAWs and check back.

[TheMaestro]

I disagree with the price argument.
I have studio one, live and logic pro but I don't care about the price, I use mainly Reaper because in my opinion it is the best. Of course it is not perfect but nothing is !

Hi, dupont. I'm not saying at all that it can't be the best for someone even though it's by far the least expensive full featured DAW out there. More that if Cockos had not smartly picked it so low (which they could afford to do for various reasons) it would not enjoy the success it has. Really smart game plan to build their base. Because at $60 not only is it an incredible deal but it's a no brainer for a user of any other DAW to own a Reaper license. What do they have to lose? That's what got me in almost a decade ago for sure, and it's been 75% my main audio DAW. If it had been $200 I would not have bit.

It not even $60, if you want to exploit it. It’s free. Did your head just explode now?

Nope. Even aside from the fact that that's meaningless to the conversation. Maybe take a remedial reading course and Intro to DAWs and check back.

Meaningless? You went on about the price.
Are you alright?