ROLI's writing on the wall happened

[Ploki]

Oh come on grow a spine and stop with the ad hominems

[digitalboytn]

lol somewhere over at FB wrote this about ROLI:

All Roli products will continue to be supported as before. This is very bad news.

[poonna]

I've got LUMI as well. I pretty much agree with Echoes in the Attic on the issues. Among those, I think the issue with black keys being stiffer is the worse one, making getting even dynamics between keys in a chord harder. I guess it has to do with the shorter travel length of the black keys. I think I can still learn to become familiar with those after a while.

However, the worst issue I've found is with controlling dynamics. It's way too easy to get full velocity (127) on the keys. With a more dynamic software like Pianoteq, I've got harsh fortissimo notes here and there all the time. Well, part of that is my bad playing, though, but still for something advertised for learning the piano, it fails totally in this respect.

I'm still keeping it, though, as the only other keyboard with polyphonic aftertouch (not to mention MPE) is CME XKey, which I don't know if they will have the same issues or not.

[BONES]

Have you tried using Dashboard to change the response? I've seen it done in videos. I've also seen that the Kickstarter units seem to be less robust than the newer ones and that a firmware update was supposed to address the way the keys feel/respond.

Name one. I can't think of any.

RME

Actually, RME have a fairly extensive list of "Legacy" products. All products have a life-cycle, it's how things get better over time.

Bones I figured it out...you are the master of quoting people out of context! Hilarious.

Give us an example, if you can. I only quote the relevant part but I try to address the intent, not the words themselves.

Just count how many threads he has ruined alone the last two days.

If by "ruined", you mean "dragged kicking and screaming into reality", I'm more than happy to put my hand up. And at least I have some skin the game, what Roli gear do you own? What experience do you have with Roli's support? What have you contributed to this thread, beyond giving me shit?

[poonna]

Have you tried using Dashboard to change the response? I've seen it done in videos. I've also seen that the Kickstarter units seem to be less robust than the newer ones and that a firmware update was supposed to address the way the keys feel/respond.

I've tried that, but it seems max velocity isn't affected by the velocity curve. One way to mitigate that for me is to make the curve such that most of the range is loud (dynamically) so the fortissimo feels less abrupt (as most of the notes played will already be loud, the difference will be less dramatic). Another way is to limit the max velocity using a MIDI utility plugin. This works better for some VSTi.

[gaggle of hermits]

Actually, RME have a fairly extensive list of "Legacy" products. All products have a life-cycle, it's how things get better over time.

legacy in RME terms just means they don’t sell it anymore. if you bothered to check the driver compatibility you’d have noticed that most of those products are still supported by the current drivers. the one difference is going to be in things like pci cards where current pc chipsets don’t support the old pci format. but for firewire and usb, they tend to keep the old stuff running.

[Ploki]

Actually, RME have a fairly extensive list of "Legacy" products. All products have a life-cycle, it's how things get better over time.

I have two of products from that list which still work flawlessly and native on an M1 mac - which is more than i can say for much, much newer ROLI products that aren’t (weren’t) legacy and need rosetta to run

[excuse me please]

Holy Maccaroli!

[pdxindy]

The Osmose, using initial pressure (and ignoring velocity), allows each finger to function as the unique amp envelope for the note. You can read about this on the Haken (Continuum) website under MPE+. Neither the Linnstrument nor Seaboard offer this.

Of course they do, they just do it with velocity. That is, in fact, the main thing I use velocity for in the sequencer because it saves me having to automate volume. And, honestly, how do you differentiate between velocity and initial pressure in your playing technique? And when does initial pressure become aftertouch? It all sounds like smoke and mirrors to me and you still don't get Glide. So it's 5D Touch-, not MPE+.

You have no idea what you are talking about, however, there is no point to discuss the actual Osmose or Continuum functionality with you cause you don't actually have the slightest interest in it.

You've just arbitrarily decided you hate the Osmose so you're gonna dump your own putrid vomit all over any conversation on the subject.

[pdxindy]

I have two of products from that list which still work flawlessly and native on an M1 mac - which is more than i can say for much, much newer ROLI products that aren’t (weren’t) legacy and need rosetta to run

RME support is really impressive... When it comes to audio interfaces, I only buy RME

[pinki]

The Osmose, using initial pressure (and ignoring velocity), allows each finger to function as the unique amp envelope for the note. You can read about this on the Haken (Continuum) website under MPE+. Neither the Linnstrument nor Seaboard offer this.

Of course they do, they just do it with velocity. That is, in fact, the main thing I use velocity for in the sequencer because it saves me having to automate volume. And, honestly, how do you differentiate between velocity and initial pressure in your playing technique? And when does initial pressure become aftertouch? It all sounds like smoke and mirrors to me and you still don't get Glide. So it's 5D Touch-, not MPE+.

You have no idea what you are talking about, however, there is no point to discuss the actual Osmose or Continuum functionality with you cause you don't actually have the slightest interest in it.

You've just arbitrarily decided you hate the Osmose so you're gonna dump your own putrid vomit all over any conversation on the subject.

Yup

[zerocrossing]

A new week and a new high for reading really dumb things. How is your Seaboard any less useful today than it was last week? How will it be any less useful in a year or 5 years or 10 years?

well, the configuration software stops being supported so you need to keep an old machine around to keep it working

Didn’t they explicitly state that they intend to keep supporting it?

[pdxindy]

Didn’t they explicitly state that they intend to keep supporting it?

They did... and I hope they do and that the Rise makes a comeback as well.

But then lots of companies on the edge of dissolution but still trying to survive say those sorts of things cause they have to... otherwise you lose more customers. Time will tell.

[Echoes in the Attic]

The Osmose, using initial pressure (and ignoring velocity), allows each finger to function as the unique amp envelope for the note. You can read about this on the Haken (Continuum) website under MPE+. Neither the Linnstrument nor Seaboard offer this.

Of course they do, they just do it with velocity. That is, in fact, the main thing I use velocity for in the sequencer because it saves me having to automate volume. And, honestly, how do you differentiate between velocity and initial pressure in your playing technique? And when does initial pressure become aftertouch? It all sounds like smoke and mirrors to me and you still don't get Glide. So it's 5D Touch-, not MPE+.

You have no idea what you are talking about, however, there is no point to discuss the actual Osmose or Continuum functionality with you cause you don't actually have the slightest interest in it.

You've just arbitrarily decided you hate the Osmose so you're gonna dump your own putrid vomit all over any conversation on the subject.

It's really not worth it. He hasn't even bothered to read about it or understand the difference between initial pressure and velocity. OR initial pressure and aftertouch presure. Totally different data.

The only downside of this type of expression is that it doesn't translate so well to all the sound sources out there using MPE. Unless MPE synths adopted initial pressure as another modulation source? Or could it become a replacement for velocity in the sound sources. Obviously it would have to be listen to totally different data, but a soft synth would probably just one or the other right? Or perhaps some patches would translate ok using initial pressure to the slide modulation, or MPE pressure triggered from Osmose initial pressure and osmose aftertouch triggering MPE slide. There would be problems with most patches with all things translations though because it's really a different performance technique.

[pinki]

No. The Osmose is crap 'cause it's really expensive.