Which plugins are hyped too much in your opinion?

[SamDi]

I just stated that electronic music has the „this is the music from the future“ inherently in it‘s core

Then why does it all sound so dated an cringy?

Because from each genre 1% is extraordinary, 10% are decent and 90% is cheesy.

In Rock, Blues, Jazz, World Music electric guitars or drums sound similar for decades

And thus timeless, and significant.

The same rule as above applies there IMHO.

The same for classical music, which went partly so innovative, that it is unlistenable for most normal citizens.

Wait, what?
20th century, sure. But not Classical.

I am not so deep this genre, but AFAIK there were many classical subgenres, trying to break former structures in terms of tonality, rhythm and sound - yes, starting mainly in 20th century, but going till today. Isn‘t it?

[BONES]

I've never even tried the Serum demo but I don't see anything in it that [...]

I suspected as much.

From the question I asked? Pity you couldn't have answered it. Because, obviously, I've heard demos and there is nothing in them that leads me to believe it's better than DUNE or ANA or Thorn or Hive. Which, of course, is why I've never bothered trying it out.

Well there is 3min 53 of my life I'll never get back...talk about clickers remorse...I just assumed that at some point, something even remotely musical was going to happen...but nope, not n f'ing thing...utter crap...utter, utter, total and UTTER CRAP!

You reckon that's bad, try this -



What scares me is that when I searched for this, I also found a live version. Enjoy!

[DJErmac]

This topic is here to let you know some people have different opinions. Some users seem to be incredibly upset about this, like they never knew and can’t understand. Well, greetings from planet Earth, some people don’t think just like you do.
Mods are going crazy because they have to babysit here... can we just accept what we read in peace ?

Dunno what thread you're reading? I haven't seen anyone go apeshit, mods going crazy or anyone incredibly upset. It's a silly troll thread and is seen as such. Mostly seems to be people listing which synths they either like or dislike, same as most threads in KvR

Seems like the only one trying to get upset about not linking certain synths is you. Which is weird because this is in the effects forum

I’m talking about a Hink comment in the Off-Topic section where he said he’s amazed that people are unable to ignore the comments and users they don’t like, yesterday. They had to clean up a lot of mess. Maybe not about this topic in particular, general behaviour.
"Is seen as such" : by who ? All of the participants or only the ones who didn’t have much to say ? Most people who’ve said this is a stupid thread didn’t bring anything here. They’d better simply pass. I think baseball is uninteresting, I don’t go there.
And no, I am not the one who went ape$hit, I’m the one who had a great laugh all along when I simply posted exactly the exact same plugins list as the previous users and got angry replies saying I’m wrong and know nothing then.
Why would I care if this guy I don’t know or this other guy I don’t know says I’m stupid ? I simply answered.
I’m not angry and have never been during this thread.

[HAL76]

I´d say EOD now. Let´s better watch televison, no matter how stupid it is.

What we can learn from LOB:
- everybody wants to have the best stones
- its mostly gals who complain
- in the end the referee gets stoned



The rest of us might as well read what Kant said about the judgment of taste. It´s all subjective. No Pope nor any other self proclaimed master of taste or his endorsement partners can change that simple (not mathematical) fact.

[JockMcRonan]

outta here

[DJErmac]

By the way, you made a product that made 80 lovers more than happy (Diva), and you made a product that made modern-sound lovers more than happy (Hive).

I don't understand the distinction. I would use either for the same tasks. To my ears they sound far more the same than they do different. They are just two different V/As in my book. I think it is only people who are obsessed with sounding exactly like the 70s that care, and even then I think most of the time they hear differences that aren't there. I've made up 70-odd 80s covers and during that whole process, never once have I thought that I need an emulation to get any of the sounds I need. TRK-01 or DS-Thorn just as capable of doing a great synthwave bassline as bx_oberhausen, ARP Odyssey or The Legend.

Yes, I’ve already heard your music : that’s because you’re not making anything where codes are expected. Your music is free to go wherever you want it to make it go.
When you’re making synthwave, some specific sounds would sound odd, and the same goes for EDM. Lovers of this genre expect something very specific in general. Modern trance with a cheap 80’s lead is a game you’re free to play, but don’t be surprised if no DJ playlists it. In some cases this cross-genre was a huge success on the contrary (Daft Punk for example). There are no strict rules, simply main directions. Those songs are made ONLY with synths, that’s what changes everything when comparing with your style, every synth has to fit together. If it fits, then no problem. And it’s easier to fit synths that sound similar.

[BONES]

Isn't everybody's music is free to go wherever you want it to go? Genres are for other people, surely? We make the music, others decide how to classify it.

Making a modern trance lead with an emulation isn't just possible, it's actually kinda easy. Because it's not so much in the sound as it is in how you use it. Take that "cheap 80s lead" and run it through a trance gate, with a big reverb and lots of compression, and the DJs will love it.

Our music is definitely also made "ONLY with synths" (and my screeching, of course). Sometimes it may sound like a guitar but, again, that's in how we use it more than what we use. The "guitar" in this, for example, is just one of my SynthEdit synths running through Tubebaby -



What is Daft Punk a cross between? It always sounded like pop music to me.

Egads man, I have to wonder if these twats actually think they are creating something worthwhile or if they are just taking the piss...Surely to god they don't actually think this drivel even borders slightly on the creative side of shite. Mind you, given that apparently there are some wankers who get into it, it is hard to imagine where they would score on the pretension meter.

I am confident they had their tongues firmly implanted in their cheek when they put this out as a B-side.

[jamcat]

I am not so deep this genre, but AFAIK there were many classical subgenres, trying to break former structures in terms of tonality, rhythm and sound - yes, starting mainly in 20th century, but going till today. Isn‘t it?

No, seeming infinite subgenres is an invention of electronic music. Classical could vary in tempo and time signature without needing to slap a new label on it. Of course, they didn’t call it “Classical” back then, they just called it “music.”

There are several different eras of orchestral music, including Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and 20th century. Each of these eras had their own distinct defining characteristics, but the terms actually apply to the time period more so than those characteristics themselves. Classical was actually the shortest period, about 70 years, and began about 30 years before Mozart, and lasted until Beethoven’s late period. And to put that timeframe in perspective, both were students of Haydn.

[DJErmac]

Isn't everybody's music is free to go wherever you want it to go? Genres are for other people, surely? We make the music, others decide how to classify it.

No BONES, it doesn’t work this way when you’re working with labels.
If you’re signed to a trance label, you can’t simply make what comes to your mind and give them. They expect trance from you. Their radio an dj partners expect trance releases from them. The public expect trance release from this label. Everybody expect trance sounds from your artist name. That’s how I work : I’m supposed to give "that" sound to each one of my labels. If anything is surprising for them, they refuse it as they think they can’t sell it, and I have to find another label for it.

What is Daft Punk a cross between? It always sounded like pop music to me.

When they started releasing songs, it was obviously classified as dance music, but never played in clubs in France. BPM was slower, the sounds were funky and 70’s sounding (they always said that’s what they wanted to do). Then they released "One More Time", the first that had a big clubbing success. It sounded like nothing else in the playlist : fat modern drums, sidechain compression, and... a vintage sample loop and vocoded vocals. They were the first here to be successful mixing modernity with vintage.

[jamcat]

You could say Beethoven was a “crossover artist” belonging to both Classical and Romantic.

[chk071]

Beethoven was deaf. I heard.

[DJErmac]

Beethoven was deaf. I heard.

Oh, that’s why he made that crossover mistake...

[Etienne1973]

Stubborn retro addicts (like me) versus stubborn music innovators. Poles apart and little in between.

[DJErmac]

Stubborn retro addicts (like me) versus stubborn music innovators. Poles apart and little in between.

Well, we're not supposed to be "versus"...
At least we have something to talk about, unless people who have everything in common...
You love this, I love this. Problem ?

[HAL76]

We should all realize that people are as different as tastes and you never know who wrote what you´ve just read on the web. That´s what the numersous hypes around plugins have showed me. Truth is a b*** anyway