Charlatan³ Free VA synth updated to v3.3.2 (Win/Linux)

[wikter]

While I like the sound of the synth, it feels rather clumsy after a while. All the clicking and tabs for basic things such as envelopes and lfo's. All the standard things such as keytracking for the filter have to be set up manually. It's almost modular in a way, where you have to patch cables for every little thing.

That's easily solved by creating a Init preset with the basics as a starting point.

[wwjd]

B 2 or not B 2? That is the question.

[eb23]

About the Ratio display. The mousewheel works fine for me, actually only the Ratio seems to respond to the mousewheel, nothing else. Each digit responding separately and going above 9 or under 0 works fine.
Not a real problem, but .001 'ration' is equivalent to .02 st, which isn't that fine. (when around 1.000)

[Teksonik]

I never had a problem with the readout in the Sylenth1 display, other than that it is a bit small as well. I know how to scroll without moving the mouse around.

Yet you seem to be struggling with this relatively simple, straight forward synth.

I've done a ton of patches for Sylenth and other synths that have a central read-out display. But that doesn't change my opinion that on-control displays are better.

No problems here and no need to look back and forth, back and forth from the control to the tool bar. All the information is right there in front of you without having to glance away.

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Tabs are just a simple mouse click away, not a big deal. The alternative would be a huge GUI or one where everything was cramped together.

[NWSM]

Hi, i test C3 on windows 10, 64bit, i7-4790, Bitwig 5
Testing CLAP Version (appreciate using this new Standard )

Here is my List:

- i would increase the Unison voice over 7
- i would adjusting the osc phase vertical like all other knobs and parameters
- i would keep the Modulator Tabs and put the OSC Editors below them. - The only switch between both is [X] of the OSC Editor, what is kinda hidden to easier get the Modulator Tabs back
- i want modulate the Macros
...

Very good list ! Tbh, I'm not sure why this version of Charlatan adds fx and doesn't rely on external fx like Charlatan 2. Not that I mind at all, but it adds some complexity and things like reordering seem important. ADSR rates as time signatures would be great.

Yes and No...for me i got bazillions of Effect and don't need another Effect...except this Effects got an very interessting impact to the Sound itself, and its faster to get. So its for FREE okay and good for the Users they use only Free Plugins. So yeah...

[lolilol1975]

While I like the sound of the synth, it feels rather clumsy after a while. All the clicking and tabs for basic things such as envelopes and lfo's. All the standard things such as keytracking for the filter have to be set up manually. It's almost modular in a way, where you have to patch cables for every little thing.

It does have a big competitor in Odin 2, which has a comparable features set.

[apunctum]

Working fine un Studio One now. Ive niw noticed that I can't automate (or assign external CC) to the ADSR envelope stages. And rate is a bit limited.

Comfirm, no crashes!

Couldn't assign Mod Wheel from drop-down menu too, Pitch Band works.

[nitedwella]

But as you say, it's a concern when development is no longer active, which was the case of Charlatan², or when important features cannot be implemented due to lack of resource/time, which is the case for the Mac port, - from the author's own admission -. It's a pity these are issues that could easily be non-issues if the project was open sourced. That's all I'm saying.

agreed. I wholeheartedly respect and understand that opening the source code of one's project is not an easy decision and if the author doesn't want to go that way, it's perfectly fine and understandable. I do feel, though, that it's a pity to leave out a considerable chunk of users from using it, as seems to be the case for the Mac port.

[Odd Fella]

Strange to have the Cutoff knob to the right and the Resonance knob to the left.
At times I connect the envelope with the resonance knob by mistake


Are the Xform thingies modulation modifiers?

[wikter]

It does have a big competitor in Odin 2, which has a comparable features set.

But Odin 2 uses 10x CPU in unison & ~4x without unison (compared to OS Charlatan 3)

Are the Xform thingies modulation modifiers?

It depends on the mixing mode. You can modulate it with a modulator to create interesting PM/FM patches...

[lolilol1975]

It does have a big competitor in Odin 2, which has a comparable features set.

But Odin 2 uses 10x CPU in unison & ~4x without unison (compared to OS Charlatan 3)

True. Depending on the kind of project, it can or cannot be an issue.

[a9k1tp]

Hi, i test C3 on windows 10, 64bit, i7-4790, Bitwig 5
Testing CLAP Version (appreciate using this new Standard )

Here is my List:

- i would increase the Unison voice over 7
- i would adjusting the osc phase vertical like all other knobs and parameters
- i would keep the Modulator Tabs and put the OSC Editors below them. - The only switch between both is [X] of the OSC Editor, what is kinda hidden to easier get the Modulator Tabs back
- i want modulate the Macros
- i would give Filter 2 another Color to differentiate better
- use a colorized visual feedback for Knobs when it is not Modulated (like Note Mod in onto FREQ)
- a assigned Modulator is named as MOD3 when it is an LFO
- i would adding a Point in XFORM also when i click everywhere in the Field as directly on the Line
- i dont know why is there an X and Y Macro if we dont have an coordinate system with x and y axis
- let us Loop and Trigger MSEG's with adjustable Loop-Regions
- i do not fully understand XFORM Modulators, seems it need also a Rate Knob and Running/ actual Position Light
- Running/ Position Light in all Modulator's _ seems that the XMOD starts after Sustain in the Release of an ADSR, weird*
- ADSR Rate need maybe also Time Signatures
- Editing via Mouse Scrolling would be also nice (like in Ration but for Knob and Drop Down Menues)
- Add MIX to all FX
- Add an Compressor with or Saturation or with Limiter (OTT wirkt wahre wunder )
- Because that much Modulators i would add an Modulation Matrix to get an Overview of what is modulated
- want to set up the Voices in Polymode there are mor than 12 Voices?
- overwriting existing Preset warning needed - optional out
- save Preset when change it warning needed - optional out
- if the Distorsion become a little Filter with good Reso (Phaser like) could increase the Distorsion Unit?
- increase EQ Bands maybe 3 for LMH
- Want to modulate ADSR
- Let see us Frequencies in Filter and EQ
- i want to Re-Order FX

Bugs:
- switching Presets in Browser does not not actualize the Presets and stuck in INIT
- - Unison with ZERO Detune and from 2 Voice upwards got a little Frequency Hang on when open and close the Detune Knob fast, but it can be a Feature

Bigger Ideas:
Chord Snap? i want to Keep Chords when editing Ratio in Polymode

Hope that helps, if you have any Questions -> PM (eng, ger)

- I will always prefer Bitwig devices over this synth.

I mean, you have Bitwig. Why even need this synth?

Nothing against this synth, Charlatan 3, Vital and SurgeXT are great options for Reaper users.

[wikter]

Non understood feature (RTFM)
- a assigned Modulator is named as MOD3 when it is an LFO[EACH MOD SOCKET HAS UP TO 4 MODULATOR TYPES]
- i dont know why is there an X and Y Macro if we dont have an coordinate system with x and y axis
- i do not fully understand XFORM Modulators, seems it need also a Rate Knob and Running/ actual Position Light

Change feature/specs
- i would increase the Unison voice over 7
- i want modulate the Macros
- Want to modulate ADSR
- i would adding a Point in XFORM also when i click everywhere in the Field as directly on the Line
- let us Loop and Trigger MSEG's with adjustable Loop-Regions
- ADSR Rate need maybe also Time Signatures
- Running/ Position Light in all Modulator's _ seems that the XMOD starts after Sustain in the Release of an ADSR, weird*
- Add MIX to all FX
- Add an Compressor with or Saturation or with Limiter (OTT wirkt wahre wunder )
- want to set up the Voices in Polymode there are mor than 12 Voices? [THERE ARE 8 VOICES]
- increase EQ Bands maybe 3 for LMH
- if the Distorsion become a little Filter with good Reso (Phaser like) could increase the Distorsion Unit?

Reorder interface:
- i would adjusting the osc phase vertical like all other knobs and parameters
- i would keep the Modulator Tabs and put the OSC Editors below them. - The only switch between both is [X] of the OSC Editor, what is kinda hidden to easier get the Modulator Tabs back
- i would give Filter 2 another Color to differentiate better
- use a colorized visual feedback for Knobs when it is not Modulated (like Note Mod in onto FREQ)
- Editing via Mouse Scrolling would be also nice (like in Ration but for Knob and Drop Down Menues)
- Because that much Modulators i would add an Modulation Matrix to get an Overview of what is modulated
- save Preset when change it warning needed - optional out[YOUR DAW SHOULD NOTICE YOU ABOUT THAT]
- i want to Re-Order FX

Already done:
- overwriting existing Preset warning needed - [DONE IN WINDOWS]
- Let see us Frequencies in Filter and EQ

Bugs:
- switching Presets in Browser does not not actualize the Presets and stuck in INIT
- - Unison with ZERO Detune and from 2 Voice upwards got a little Frequency Hang on when open and close the Detune Knob fast, but it can be a Feature

Bigger Ideas:
Chord Snap? i want to Keep Chords when editing Ratio in Polymode

Hope that helps, if you have any Questions -> PM (eng, ger)

Labels help a lot...

[Jbravo]

I took the liberty of creating a demo track for the synth and some of the presets which I've made so far, apart from the beats which are also Charlatan. There's no extra effects, only some compression

https://on.soundcloud.com/yPSiU

[digitalboytn]

I took the liberty of creating a demo track for the synth and some of the presets which I've made so far, apart from the beats which are also Charlatan. There's no extra effects, only some compression

https://on.soundcloud.com/yPSiU

Great track...take a bow....

Really good stuff

That's what we need more of here at KVR....

Less talk,less BS and more music